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QUESTION: Hi eddie


Welcome back! I'll be very brief. Being a JW, how can you respond to this kind of question?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCQfMQ_zbE#t=457


I'm also puzzled to this!  I really need an answer, just that.

Thank you and looking forward

ANSWER: Hi Dave,

Sorry to say this but this got to be one of the most ridiculous explanation I've ever heard about "breast milk feeding"!!!

So now milk is the same as blood transfusion because milk contains blood? Thus anyone drinking a mother's milk is the same as blood transfusion?

If so, is this nut of a person saying that God violated his own law on blood when he created humans with the need to lactate?

Why produce milk if not to used as food for a growing baby?

Ask yourself this question Dave, if MILK is blood or the same as blood, why did Jehovah God provided it then for us humans not only to enjoy as food - like honey but as source of nutrients?

Think consciously Dave, what this person basically saying is that God violated his own law on blood when he said:


"“. . .He went on to say: “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God. Jehovah added: “I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer. I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey . . .” (Exodus 3:6-8)

Dave, may I give you this advice? You should be more wise in choosing what you watch, it might lead you to your destruction if you keep drinking "wormwood".

As the scripture say:

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.” (2 Timothy 4:3)

So simply put - milk is food, while BLOOD is not, but is something that is very sacred to God. It belongs to him alone, the Giver of Life(blood).

Thanks.









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QUESTION: Thank you for the response Ed,


However, I think you just didn't get the point. So please allow me to explain. As you well know, the official organizational policy is that Witnesses "abstain . . . from blood" by not accepting whole blood transfusions or transfusions of blood's FOUR PRIMARY COMPONENTS. Such policy can be seen in a quotation from the following issue of The Watchtower(CAPS MINE):

*** The Watchtower, 6/15/04, pp. 21-22 par. 11, Be Guided by the Living God ***

Decades ago Jehovah’s Witnesses made their stand clear. For example, they supplied an article to The Journal of the American Medical Association (November 27, 1981; reprinted in How Can Blood Save Your Life? pages 27-9).* That article quoted from Genesis, Leviticus, and Acts. It said: “While these verses are not stated in medical terms, Witnesses view them as ruling out transfusion of whole blood, packed RBCs [red blood cells], and plasma, as well as WBC [white blood cell] and platelet administration.” THE 2001 TEXTBOOK EMERGENCY CARE, UNDER “COMPOSITION OF THE BLOOD,” STATED: “THE BLOOD IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL COMPONENTS: PLASMA, RED AND WHITE BLOOD CELLS, AND PLATELETS.” THUS, IN LINE WITH MEDICAL FACTS, WITNESSES REFUSE TRANSFUSIONS OF WHOLE BLOOD OR OF ANY OF ITS FOUR PRIMARY COMPONENTS.

~End Quote~



NOW, why use the above DEFINITION of blood to support the belief that the four stated components of blood should be rejected or refused as if they themselves, individually, are "BLOOD"? I mean, why the components of blood are PROHIBITED when there is no textbook(not even the one referenced in the above quote)that can be seen that defines the four components of blood, individually, as BLOOD?  So AGAIN like what that man in the video says, white cells are not blood. In fact, white cells are transferred from blood to mother's milk which is then suckled by newborn children. Thus, once could even say that based on the reasoning some use for accepting certain blood fractions, that is, because they pass naturally from mother to child, that white cells should not be prohibited but instead be a conscience matter since these, too, pass naturally from a mother's blood to her breast milk and they are then consumed by her child during breast feeding. But again, in light of the above WATCHTOWER'S use of a medical definition of blood, to claim that the official organizational position is "IN LINE WITH MEDICAL FACTS"(as stated above) when the quoted medical textbook only defines blood as having four components and it did not state that any one component is in fact blood, seems to suggest that there may have been an error in judgment as to the impact that such a definition should have on JW's view of the use of Blood's four primary components. Can you please consider this matter, Eddie?  Does the WTBTS have any additional documentation or support from the scientific or medical community that defines blood's four primary components as blood?  Thank you and looking forward.



All the best
Dave

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Blood and its PRIMARY compoents
Blood and its PRIMARY  
I got what your saying Dave.

So in this case, your issue is not with lactation per se but the components in the milk.

That is, white cells (also known as leukocytes).

Hence if the mother passes this part to her baby, then why can't we take white cells during blood transfusion?

Sure, why not if you want to violate God's law - which I think you won't do.

So the question really is, is white cell in the blood not blood since it's also found in milk?

Answer is of course yes. It's blood if it was EXTRACTED from BLOOD, a PRIMARY component of blood. Now as for white cells in the milk, is it pure blood or already mixed in with many parts? If mixed in, then is still blood? Of course when filtered out as 100% pure white blood cells. By then you have the primary component of blood. But that's not what we're talking about here, isn't it Dave? It's about the decision made by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Isn't it?

If so, then think about it this way Dave, what do you think the Governing Body along with the apostles of the first century would do if they had the technology during their time to split blood into it's PRIMARY components? Do you think they will decide differently or decide the same way as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses of today?

Do you think they say will say - this cell is blood or that cell is not blood? Or that faction of the primary component is not blood? In other words, where do you think they will draw the line between what is considered blood and what is not? And once drawn, will you question it - and find some loophole to circumvent it?

I hope not.

But the fact that the apostles and the GB didn't have the technology, so to them blood is blood and thus the command to abstain from it can't be ignored or even watered down.

But for us, since we have the technology to do so many things with blood, hence we're in bit of a situation, that is, where do we draw the line?

Where's the line that says that these are blood and these are not?

Well the line has been drawn as clearly stated below:


*** lv p. 216 Blood Fractions and Surgical Procedures ***
         WHOLE BLOOD
UNACCEPTABLE         Red Cells  White Cells  Platelets  Plasma

So as true Christians we must abide by it.

But is this sound reasoning, to conclude that the four PRIMARY components of blood are unacceptable to a Christian - as whole blood?

Of course! Consider these facts as stated by recognized medical authorities:

Here's a quote from Penn Medicine (which is backed up by many many prestigious medical institutions) about Blood:

They said:

"To better understand the issues surrounding bloodless medicine, it's important to have a basic understanding of blood. In a given sample of your blood, more than half of the sample is made up of a watery substance called plasma, which contains proteins, immune cells, clotting factors, and various salts.

About half of the sample is made up of red blood cells, which contain oxygen-carrying hemoglobin. Less than 1% of the sample is made up of white blood cells (infection-fighting cells) and platelets (sticky little cell fragments that are involved in helping the blood clot)."

http://www.pennmedicine.org/health_info/bloodless/000209.html

"Blood transfusions are given to some patients in the form of whole blood, which contains every blood element in the exact proportions found circulating in the human body. However, whole blood is not used as commonly as in the past. It is more typical now to receive one or more "fractions" or "components" of blood, some of which are listed below. Major blood fractions are not acceptable to some patients, such as Jehovah's Witnesses.

Major blood fractions (primary blood components)

   Packed red blood cells : Given when hemoglobin (or hematocrit) drops below a critical level, these units contain red blood cells that have been separated from other blood components.
  White blood cells : Given very rarely, these cells may be administered to patients who have low white blood cell counts and severe infections that don't improve with antibiotics.
 Platelets : Platelets help improve clotting in vulnerable patients.
  Plasma : The liquid part of blood, where the major coagulation factors are found.

Minor blood fractions

   Clotting factors: These factors can decrease bleeding in individuals with various types of hemophilia.
   Albumin: This major protein constituent of blood is often given to individuals who need to retain more fluid in their bloodstream, such as burn victims or patients with liver failure or extremely heavy bleeding (hemorrhage).
   Growth factors: These are chemicals that can be separated out from the plasma. Growth factors aid in wound healing.
   Immunoglobulins: Sometimes just called "globulins," these can be given to prevent certain infections after an individual has already been exposed to that disease (such as rabies or tetanus)."

http://www.pennmedicine.org/health_info/bloodless/000217.html

"Center for Bloodless Medicine & Surgery at Pennsylvania Hospital

Bloodless medicine and surgery is a type of medical practice at Penn in Philadelphia that uses no blood products or transfusions during surgery.
Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Penn in Philadelphia

The Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Pennsylvania Hospital in Philadelphia is a premiere interdisciplinary bloodless medicine program for patients who prefer no blood methods of medical and surgical treatment."

http://www.pennmedicine.org/bloodless/

Here's another from Stanford School of Medicine:

"What is Blood?
Blood is a living tissue composed of blood cells suspended in plasma.

The cellular elements, red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets -- make up about 45% of the volume of whole blood. Plasma, which is 92% water, makes up the remaining 55%."

http://bloodcenter.stanford.edu/bcinfo/AboutBlood.html

So it's clear that the PRIMARY components of blood are:

Red Cells
White Cells
Platelets
Plasma

Take one or all - it's considered blood.

But if you insist that white blood cell is not blood then it's your decision. But as for us the command is clear!

As for the white cells in milk, what can I say, we might as well not eat properly bled meat, egg, fish, etc because they contain blood, I guess? Or might as well go kosher. Yet even that is not 100% bloodless.

So where do you draw the line?

Now since the line between blood and non-blood products is further blurred by fractionation, thus it's ones Bible trained conscience to decide which to take. And on this again the GB of JW made it clear what steps one needs to consider. That is,

*** w04 6/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
"... when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself."--


*** lv p. 216 Blood Fractions and Surgical Procedures ***
CHRISTIAN          Fractions  Fractions    Fractions  Fractions
TO DECIDE          from       from         from       from
         red cells  white cells  platelets  plasma

But since you have an issue with the white cells being blood, where then do you draw the line?

If it's not blood, is plasma then not blood? What about platelets? Or red cells? Are they not also blood?

If not then what is blood?

And also what is food as declared by the creator and what is not - between milk and blood?

Where do you draw the line?





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