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Who Is The Great I Am?
Who Is The Great I Am?  
Brother Rando,

Talk about inconsistency. What do you think of the inconsistency of the Trinity doctrine? Why it's inconsistent all over!!!


And like you said, take out one leg of this three legged stool, the whole thing comes tumbling down to the ground.

For if they say that the "God the Father" of the Trinity godhead is "The Great I Am", then they will be denying their "God the Son and God the Holy Ghost" as the Great I Am. But if they say that the "God the Son" is the Great I Am, then they will be denying their "God the Father and God the Holy Ghost" as the Great I Am. But if they say that the "God the Holy Ghost" is the Great I Am, then they will be denying their "God the Father and God the Son" as the Great I Am.

But if ALL Three godhead is the Great I Am, then Richard's Trinity falls flat as he believes that only his "God the Father" is the Great I Am, the only True God. Unless of course he changes his mind or corrects me then he's in D. Holland's Trinity camp since D. Holland believes that ALL Three persons of the Trinity godhead are ALL equal.

So it's either there's ONLY ONE Great I Am or ALL Three godhead are the Great I Am. But in either case, whichever one sits on, the three legged stool falls flat - the Trinity godhead doctrine tumbles to the ground.

To make matters worse, check out the other faces of this man made Trinity doctrine.

Here's what other Trinitarian's say what this Trinity concept teach:
Many in Christendom believe that there's:

1) One God in three persons.
  Where
a) The Father is God
b) The Son is God
c) The Holy Spirit is God

But all three persons are the same in that all three have no beginning, no end, co-equal, none compounding the other.

Basically they believe that:

“The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal.” - Athanasian Creed


This is what the Roman Catholic Church believe.


While others believe that there's:

2) One God in three persons.
  Where
a) The Father is God
b) The Son is God
c) The Holy Spirit is God

but all three are separate persons where:
-- The "God the Father" is greater than the "God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
-- The "God the Son and God the Holy Spiri"t are subject to the "God the Father".
-- All three persons are worshiped as God but the Son is worshiped to the glory of the "God the Father".

3) Then there are those who believe in some form of Arianism where the godhead is composed of three but unequal persons, where:

-- The Holy Spirit is not of the same substance as the Father and inferior to both the Father and Son.
-- Only the Father is uncreated and unknowable.


4) While some believe in a Trinity Godhead where God is revealed as God the Father, God The Son and God The Holy Ghost in separate occasions.
Now, with all the years they have since the inception of this man-made doctrine, do you think they would have, should have figured it out already? The inconsistency, that is?

Obviously not!

So, true to the words of the Scripture, Trinitarians are truly misled by the great liar:

“. . .So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth. . .” (Revelation 12:9)

And unless, they let the truth set them free, they will never see the light.




As to, Richard's apology non apology letter, since he mentioned it. It's not really an apology because he still accused me of not understanding the doctrine, especially with the Holy Spirit. In any case, it went to the trash bin. He can publish it if he wants to.

What say you Brother Rando?

Thanks,
Eddie G

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Which God is the Great I AM?
Which God is the Great  
Excellent Points Brother "G"!  You make valid points about the Trinity claiming to be made up of "three separate persons" and then pull "the bait and switch method" now claiming Jesus ALONE to be the Great I Am.  If all three are co-equal, why is the second person of the trinity the Great I Am alone?  The Trinity being itself is left behind along with the first and third persons, why?  Because it was begotten by Apostates?  lol.....

Another scripture that stumbles the KJV translators is ‘Look! I am come (in the roll of the book it is written about me) to do your will, O God.’" (Hebrews 10:7) Did Jesus Christ come to do his own will or someone else's Will??  Oh.... don't forget the Apostle Paul.  He claimed to be the I Am also!  http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/1-12.htm

It's interesting that the KJV rejects Jesus as the I Am several times removing {AM) from many scriptures.  http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2011/12/ego-eimi-5.htm

Where's the consistency??  Inconsistent indeed, as the trinitarians change scripture to try to "ram" their man-made doctrines into the Bible.  God is three persons?  They never mention what Jesus states at John 4:24, I wonder why???  God is not a spirit but "three separate persons"?? LIARS!  

Where does the Bible say that each person of the trinity is God himself individually?  LOL.....Derrick's deceptions are rather hypocritical don't you think?  You cornered Richard into a corner and he can't get out of it.  One God in three persons is not in the Bible as Richard and Derrick claim.  Remember, they are on a JWForum spewing "Wormwood" from Satan, trying to deceive the Reader that they are JWExperts when they are really Impostors.  

Soon, all wickedness will be removed from the earth so that the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ can be worshiped without demonic opposition and JEHOVAH'S name will be vindicated WORLDWIDE.  Remember Jesus prayed, "Our Father hallowed be your Name".  Jehovah Witnesses are the only true Christians going door to door "hallowing the Father's Name" by making it known.  "Look! I am standing at the door and knocking." (Rev 3:20)   How does (Psalms 83:18) read in your Bible?

Job, well done my friend!
Brother Rando  

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. According to Brother Rando, the Bible carries two thoughts in it’s passages, one is fleshy and the other is spiritual. Jesus Christ warned Peter of thinking fleshy and that this type of thinking is not from God. (Matthew 16:23) In order to measure time, a method of measurement is needed. Measuring time by “the day” would mean a 24 hour period. However, measuring “the day” spiritually would mean a period of time yet to be revealed using other scripture to interpret the method needed. By looking into the Bible, we can actually determine what God meant by “the day” when looking into his Word on how his Will would come about. As we read (Genesis 2:16-17) the punishment for disobedience was death “in the day”. As time went on, the scriptures do begin to reveal the time frame of “the day”. According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years and then he died. Satan who thinks like a man, got it wrong! (Genesis 3:4-5) Why Study the Bible

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In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034.

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Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

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