Jehovah`s Witness/A lesson on the trinity by Bro DW

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O.K so seeing as trinitarian's insist on discussing the trinity on a Jehovah's witness forum then I shall give a lesson on the trinity to both Witnesses and non witnesses alike that includes trinitarians. Derrick and Richard take note you're going to learn something.

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Firstly the onus is the person teaching the trinity to clearly and logically explain their understanding of their belief . Neither you Derrick or Richard have done that. Instead you just claim we misrepresent it.

Now I understand that at least you Richard have tried but still it doesn't make sense. Because it can't make sense to us as humans it will always be a mystery is that statement true or not?? or is there any possible way you can explain it in human terms??

So this is what I'm going to do I will define the trinity then I will make a comparison then I will reach the absolute point of your confusion and where your problem comes in

This is the OFFICIAL trinity doctrine. It was written over 200 years after the last apostle died by the Catholic Church. It goes like this

<<<<<<<<<<<<And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.


so to break it down simply this is the seven points of the trinity


1) The Father is God
2) The Son is God
3) The Holy Spirit is God
4) The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit
5) The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit
6) The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son
7) God is one

But lets look at this from a human logical perspective

1)The Father is Human
2)The Wife is Human
3)The Son is Human
4)The Father is not the Wife or the Son
5)The Wife is not the Father or the Son
6)The Son is not the Father or the Wife
7) Human is one

What's the conclusion??

There all human but different humans.

So the confusion for trinitarian's lies in the word GOD it really is that simple!!

God means Mighty/strong one. So there are many gods/mighty ones Jesus is one of them along with the angels and certain men.

Psalms 82 "God takes his place in the divine assembly;
In the middle of the gods he judges"

Jehovah is the almighty God Jesus is mighty God.

Joel 1:

15" Woe because of the day!
For the day of Jehovah is near,
And it will come like a destruction from the Almighty"


Isa 9:

6 "His name will be called ..... Mighty God"(Jesus)

Yes they are two separate Gods two separate mighty ones.

Now if the trinity doctrine was written like this trinitarian's would be closer to reaching the truth from the scriptures

1) The Father is A God
2) The Son is A God
3) The Holy Spirit is A God
4) The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit
5) The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit
6) The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son
7) God is one

We don't have to write an (A) here.....

1)The Father is Human
2)The Wife is Human
3)The Son is Human
4)The Father is not the Wife or the Son
5)The Wife is not the Father or the Son
6)The Son is not the Father or the Wife
7) Human is one

......Because trinitarians know what the word HUMAN means .As long as trinitarians fail to understand what the word GOD actually means the concept of the trinity will always be a mystery!!

Take Care

Bro DW

http://www.jw.org/en/

P.S) Does this mean Jesus is a false God??  

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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False religion is disgusting to God and to his true worshippers it is likened in the Bible to a harlot Rev 17:"I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication" Whereas the bride of Christ is likened to a virgin Rev 14: 4"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins" These are both used as spiritual terms here and show the importance of pure and clean worship for God's people.

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