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Brother Rando,

In case you haven't seen this, here's another version of the ever confusing Trinity doctrine. I've come across this a while back during my research on this subject.

Not sure what they call it but I call it the "trinity god of essence".

What is this you say?

Well I'll let them explain the confusion themselves.

According to them they believe that:

>>"The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence.  In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the other persons of the Trinity.  Each has a will, loves, and says "I" and "You" when speaking.  The Father is not the same person as the Son, who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit, and who is not the same person as the Father.  Each is divine, yet there are not three gods but one God. There are three individual subsistences or persons.  The word "subsistence" means something that has a real existence.  The word "person" denotes individuality and self-awareness.  The Trinity is three of these though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."<<

Hence they say:

>>"The Trinity ◦God is three persons.
◦Each person is divine.
◦There is only one God.

Many theologians admit that the term "person" is not a perfect word to describe the three individual aspects/foci found in God.  When we normally use the word person, we understand it to mean physical individuals who exist as separate beings from other individuals.  But in God there are not three entities nor three beings.  God is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence.  God is numerically one.  Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistences that we call persons.

•Each of the three persons is completely divine in nature though each is not the totality of the Godhead.
•Each of the three persons is not the other two persons.
•Each of the three persons is related to the other two but are distinct from them."<<

Clear as mud brother Rando?

So will the real Trinity god, godhead, personage, essence come out?

With all these confusing satanic inspired teaching - I doubt it,


The trinity doctrine is not eternal, but evolved through Modalism.  The doctrine you are pointing out now is a Modalistic/Trinitarian view.  The view at first was rejected in the third and four centuries.  Anyone found teaching Modalism or Sabellianism were excommunicated, and if caught teaching, then beaten, tortured, raped, and killed.  What changed?  Since the forbidding of having a Bible among the common people eventually lost it's power over time, more bibles came into existence.   The common people began looking for the "Trinity" within it's pages and found that the laity clergy class was withholding certain scripture from the pulpit and not being honest in their interpretations.  (ie.. the Father is greater than I)

You can see how a crowd could react to such a scripture and cause a frenzy upon the pulpit.  What?!!  Therefore, anyone not of the laity class were punished, excommunicated, or burned at the stake, if they had a Bible in their possession.  Just as they claim today, God's Name is too Holy to pronounce, they would make the claim that the Bible was too Holy to be opened by commoners.  Today, trinitarians accept any "three in one" concept even if it's an opposing teaching.  

When trintiarians shout "Jesus is Jehovah" they just took one leg away from "the three legged stool" and {it} comes tumbling down.  Derrick Holland welcomes the Modalistic View and joins in himself by stating, "Jesus is God"!  What happened to their "three person Gog"?

Where is the "three heads in one body" at??   Brother "G", since you have brought out the trinity's "satanic inspired teaching" there must be scripture about these inspired expressions?  Even though there are hundreds of perceptions of the trinity, it is of one body.

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet." (Rev 16:13)  When we apply Derrick Holland's "three in one" concept to (Rev 16:13) it fits, it fits, it fits!  "Three heads are one"!

We see the three unclean inspired expressions coming out of the trinity.  The question is, what they are doing?  "And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?" ((Rev 13:4)

We now see earthly and heavenly skirmishing going on today.  Our preaching work is hindered worldwide by the wild beast but not stopped, because angels are stepping in and providing protection.  The dragon is gathering all {it's} worshipers into One Body!  Derrick Holland doesn't correct the Modalists,  but accepts their doctrine as inspired and errant free.  Do you see what is happening?  Satan is "gathering".  Let's look at the following scripture of the "three heads are one".

"They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty." (Rev 16:14)  That's right!  You see evidence in Satan's World today.  You are even witnessing the gathering against us {Christians} here on AllExperts.  But who are "they" (Apostates/Demons) gathering against in the scriptural text?

Well, like Verse 14 states, "to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty." (Rev 16:14)  We now see (Psalms 2:2) coming into Focus.  "The kings of the earth take their stand And high officials gather together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one."

Another Brother brought a link to my attention in regards to a UN style Religion.  Brother "Eddie".  Since the demonic gathering is coming to it's Completion.  (ie....all trinity variations inspired and errant free to be accepted by the "three in one" Gog) It doesn't matter to Satan.

Matter of fact, Satan himself is an Apostate, and he would need two more Apostates to complete the "three in one concept" on the world stage.  "You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to the heavens. Above the stars of God I will lift up my throne, And I will sit down on the mountain of meeting, In the remotest parts of the north." (Isaiah 14:13)  Since Michael and his angels hurled Satan out of Heaven in 1914, this verse is earthly and not heavenly.

Basically, he would need two more Apostates to sit down with him on the mountain of meeting.  Satan got the Jews to reject Jesus Christ as a nation and Trinitarians reject Jesus Christ by spreading a "three in one" gospel that you must believe in the Trinity to be "saved".  

Satan and his demonic activity point to a "set time" to when he wants to accomplish his goal.  So who would represent Apostate Judaism and all the Trinitarian religions of Apostate Christendom?   

To be in the remotest parts of the north, they would seek the Highest Office!  Something like a U.N.- Style "United Religions"?

Philia and Take Care, (To the end. Matthew 24:13)
Brother Rando  

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. His Goal is to educate the public that Jehovah Witnesses accepted the Sacrifice in Christ, whose Blood was shed for many as a ransom and exercise faith in "Jesus Christ" for salvation. (Romans 10:9) Why Study the Bible?


In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034. SEE the unseen things!

“I fully support, acknowledge and cooperate with *The Faithful Steward and Its' Governing Body* of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I am property of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that Jesus, my brother, is appointing over his belongings. This Slave is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Earthly Organization known Worldwide as "Jehovah's Witnesses". When the Mountain-like organizations act against God's chosen people after Babylon has been destroyed, Jehovah will slaughter those who are touching the pupils of his eyes. Even though Babylon the Great is spoken as a woman and she has fallen in (Rev. 14:8), the sacred secret is that she is not a woman at all, but the World of False Religion that will be utterly destroyed by the personal hand of Jesus Christ as (King Abaddon) in the coming Great Tribulation never to be found again! (Matthew 24:14)

Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

According to the discussion, 1914 represents the year that the earth would enter into a time of distress and that time limit could very well be 120 years. Which again, brings up the year 2034. The year 1914 is derived by a prophecy of the end of the Gentile times. Brother Rando insists that we should not live by a date, but to use this time to get right with God. Jesus continually pointed that the people who were on the earth when he would raise God’s Temple would be like those people in Noah’s time, taking no note. Where do the 120 years come from? If we read Genesis 6:3, most people think of this scripture in the fleshy sense of man’s lifespan. But could there be a spiritual meaning, giving those with Insight a divine warning? The Bible does say, “make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.” (Daniel 12:4) Could it be, this world has entered into it’s Last Days in 1914? (1 Timothy 3:1-5) Yet there is another scripture that helps us measure the time. In Ecclesiastes 6:6 it reads, “Even supposing that he has lived a thousand years twice over and yet he has not seen what is good, is it not to just one place that everyone is going?” The chapter talks about vanity and that if a person actually lived two thousand years without God’s Kingdom we are all heading to the same place. Since death was the punishment, we would need God’s Kingdom to conquer death, the place we all are heading. A thousand years twice over is two thousand years. Simple math again brings us to the time of 2034, when the second thousand years has been brought to it’s finish. Could Christ Millennial reign be from 2034 to 3034? We don’t know. Jesus stated, he would raise God’s Temple in the third day, so we can expect God's Kingdom to be fully operating sometime between the years 2034 and 3034. However, Jesus Christ was risen first thing on the very morning in the third day. Most Bible readers are in agreement that Christ does rule for a thousand years.

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