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QUESTION: Your NWT Bible says that you must  “ Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive,”  Hebrews 13:17

I have watched what has been happening here for some time and one of your fellow believers has made many comments over  a period of time about the sort of conduct that Jehovahs Witnesses are expected to display.  I have been downloading your magazines and studying them each each week as the program on the front tells you to do.  The one for this week is interesting.  I will cut and past from the PDF that I downloaded. It is the November 15 2014 issue and from page 12

16 When God was delivering the Israelites from Egyptian slavery, they were told: “I am Jehovah, who is leading you up out of the land of Egypt to prove myself God to you, and you must be holy,
because I am holy.” (Lev. 11:45) Holiness was expected of the people of Israel because Jehovah is holy. As Jehovah’s Witnesses, we too must be holy. The book of Leviticus leaves no doubt about

So your leaders are telling you to be  holy because the Bible commands it.  I have no problem with that.  Good advice.  Moving onto page 13 I found this

3 If we are to please Jehovah, we must hold firmly to his laws and principles, never adopting an unholy, compromising attitude toward them.”

Your people are told NOT to compromise Gods laws and principles.  So why have you compromised the principles of conduct that have been brought to everyone’s attention several times.  The idea behind that is also stated on the next page

8 The book of Leviticus highlights Jehovah’s sovereignty. More than 30 times, the laws found in Leviticus are credited to Jehovah. Moses acknowledged this and did what Jehovah commanded
him to do. (Lev. 8:4, 5) Likewise, we should always do what our Sovereign, Jehovah, wants us to do.”

On page 17 you are told this

“18 To be holy, we must weigh the Scriptures carefully and do what God asks of us.”

So my question to you again is, How can you claim that you are upholding Gods sovereignty by ignoring the things that your Watchtower organisation has printed (  “Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you” ) in regard to the way you should conduct yourselves?

It is the representatives of your religion on this form that have followed your lead in ignoring what you have been taught that should leave this forum and stop hounding the few people that are doing the right thing by your organisation


ANSWER: Whose doing the right thing?

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QUESTION: You asked who I think is doing the right thing?  Well it is definitely not you.  I have read comments from  Abijah, Carol Massey, D Drake, Ben Erdman, Elbert Spears and Brenton Hepburn and in general they are exemplary in their conduct.  I noticed how MR Hepburn once  takes a leaf from your book and tries to defend his reputation and all of a sudden a few Jehovah-s-Witness turn on him yet you have been doing it all the time you have been on this board.  Out of curiosity I thumbed back through the pages to when you started here and right from the start you show yourselve not to have followed any of the things that your Watchtower leaders have said about conduct.  It was interesting to see that in the first few moths you were here you started to lie and pronounce new things about the Bible that I have not been able to find any reference to  on the Watchtower Web site.

So I will ask my question again.  Why do you disobey your leaders instructions?


Why are you assuming I'm attacking Brother Hepburn?  "Thank you for writing and I am sorry that you are having a disagreement with Brother Hepburn.  However, I must refrain from commenting or giving an opinion on this matter.  The best way to come to some sort of understanding is to approach Brother Hepburn himself in a Private conversation.  Simply mark the Private Box before sending."

I received many complaints about Brother Hepburn, but I don't need to bring it out in the open.  Matter of fact, Derrick Holland is the one that disregarded Brother Hepburn's request to keep the disagreement "Private" between himself and a Bible Study.  

I'm here to answer questions about Jehovah's Witnesses.  Why are you here Derrick??  You don't have to write me, you can choose a different expert.  Even those who slander Jehovah's Name and the Watchtower.  I choose to give a response to Holland's slanders about the Watchtower.  Nobody is forcing them to be silent or to speak out.  So {Luis} you Lose Again.  You can't win, even when you pick your own Experts.

I'm eating Ice Cream and Apple Pie.  So good!  The time left is reduced, before you and your buddies are abyssed.... there can be no peace until the "wicked" are removed.  So why is that you slander the Watchtower then name the above witnesses being of fine conduct?  Is it because they allow you to slander the Watchtower by keeping silent and I'm not ?  If our Watchtower is being raped by the likes of you, you want me to sit by and watch?  Then can I stay on Allexperts??  Ohhh goodie! lol.......  

You're a joke and people are seeing your true colors.  The trinity is not going to save you or Holland.  The trinity Baptism is a Hoax.  Brother Hepburn has control of his forum does he not?  Or are you the one telling him not to write and stifle him by attacking me?  Attack Away.  Give me your Best Shot.  Oh, I think you did, out of arrows?  

BTW... You been on the "Forum" for 15 years and ran out of lies.  SO you have nothing left?  Is this the Best you can do Legion?  Why don't you tell us about how you really feel about the Watchtower?

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. According to Brother Rando, the Bible carries two thoughts in it’s passages, one is fleshy and the other is spiritual. Jesus Christ warned Peter of thinking fleshy and that this type of thinking is not from God. (Matthew 16:23) In order to measure time, a method of measurement is needed. Measuring time by “the day” would mean a 24 hour period. However, measuring “the day” spiritually would mean a period of time yet to be revealed using other scripture to interpret the method needed. By looking into the Bible, we can actually determine what God meant by “the day” when looking into his Word on how his Will would come about. As we read (Genesis 2:16-17) the punishment for disobedience was death “in the day”. As time went on, the scriptures do begin to reveal the time frame of “the day”. According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years and then he died. Satan who thinks like a man, got it wrong! (Genesis 3:4-5) Why Study the Bible


In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034.

“I fully support, acknowledge and cooperate with *The Faithful Steward and Its' Governing Body* of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I am property of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that Jesus, my brother, is appointing over his belongings. This Slave is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Earthly Organization known Worldwide as "Jehovah's Witnesses". When the Mountain-like organizations act against God's chosen people after Babylon has been destroyed, Jehovah will slaughter those who are touching the pupils of his eyes. Even though Babylon the Great is spoken as a woman and she has fallen in (Rev. 14:8), the sacred secret is that she is not a woman at all, but the World of False Religion that will be utterly destroyed by the personal hand of Jesus Christ as (King Abaddon) in the coming Great Tribulation never to be found again! (Matthew 24:14)

Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

According to the discussion, 1914 represents the year that the earth would enter into a time of distress and that time limit could very well be 120 years. Which again, brings up the year 2034. The year 1914 is derived by a prophecy of the end of the Gentile times. Brother Rando insists that we should not live by a date, but to use this time to get right with God. Jesus continually pointed that the people who were on the earth when he would raise God’s Temple would be like those people in Noah’s time, taking no note. Where do the 120 years come from? If we read Genesis 6:3, most people think of this scripture in the fleshy sense of man’s lifespan. But could there be a spiritual meaning, giving those with Insight a divine warning? The Bible does say, “make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.” (Daniel 12:4) Could it be, this world has entered into it’s Last Days in 1914? (1 Timothy 3:1-5) Yet there is another scripture that helps us measure the time. In Ecclesiastes 6:6 it reads, “Even supposing that he has lived a thousand years twice over and yet he has not seen what is good, is it not to just one place that everyone is going?” The chapter talks about vanity and that if a person actually lived two thousand years without God’s Kingdom we are all heading to the same place. Since death was the punishment, we would need God’s Kingdom to conquer death, the place we all are heading. A thousand years twice over is two thousand years. Simple math again brings us to the time of 2034, when the second thousand years has been brought to it’s finish. Could Christ Millennial reign be from 2034 to 3034? We don’t know. Jesus stated, he would raise God’s Temple in the third day, so we can expect God's Kingdom to be fully operating sometime between the years 2034 and 3034. However, Jesus Christ was risen first thing on the very morning in the third day. Most Bible readers are in agreement that Christ does rule for a thousand years.

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