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I found Richards posting very comical.  Sentence after sentence he exposes Holland. Let me share just one, then a question.

"We believe that Jesus went to Sheol went he died (Eph. 4:8-10)" http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2015/2/true-baptist-doctrine-h

According to Derrick Holland, Jesus never really died but went to Heaven with the evildoer that same day they were to die.  He uses, "today you will be with me in Paradise". I didn't know that the Baptist now teach that this Paradise is now Sheol because most Baptists claim this Paradise that Jesus and the evildoer was actually actually hell.

Sister T, When did Jesus visit Sheol when according to scripture he was Dead?  Isn't Hades, Sheol, and Hell all the GRAVE?  Wasn't Jesus in the heart of the earth of a memorial tomb for three days?  Why do Baptists deny that Jesus was DEAD for three days?

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Yes the Bible brings out that Jesus was dead for three days in the heart of the earth.  So either the Bible is lying or those beliefs are lying.  

Mark 12:40 "For just as Jo′nah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights."

There's many things about the scriptures provided to try to prove that Hellfire exists that do not add up.


If one teaches Jesus went to heaven the day he died but never ceased to exist and another teaches that while he was in Sheol he went to preach to the spirits, which would also mean that Jesus did not really die.


Did Jesus really go preach to the spirits while he was in Sheol which is actually the Grave as the Baptist belief teaches?

The Bible actually teaches the very opposite of that teaching, the Bible teaches that Jesus died for real, not that he was still alive during those 3 days.  The Bible says that Jesus preached to the spirits after he was resurrected as a spirit, not during the time he was in the grave (sheol)

1 Peter 3:18,19 says that Jesus died in flesh and was made alive in the spirit and while in that state, he went and preached to the spirits.  While in that state?  What state was Jesus in after being made alive in the spirit?  It definitely in no way means he was dead in sheol still, but means he was no longer dead but had been resurrected by God and made alive as a spirit person, The Bible says Jesus was alive when he preached to the spirits.

1 Peter 3:18,19"or Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,"

The Baptist teaching contradicts the Bible and contradicts each other.  

Eph 4:8-10 is also incorrectly applied.  


As we see once again the Baptists teaching contradicts what the Bible clearly says...one needs to choose the Bible not doctrines of men.  Taking scriptures out of context to try to make the Bible fit a belief that is not there is what we see here.



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I am an active baptized Jehovah's Witness and Jehovah is Almighty God,(Ps. 83:18) and his Son Jesus Christ died so that everyone exercising faith in him may not be destroyed but have everlasting life. (John 3:16). I support my fellow Witnesses on this board who are real, and Jehovah's worldwide visible organization, including the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. As God is not a God of disorder, and there could not be order if there were not ones to take the lead. Taking the lead and having a leader is not the same, our leader is Jesus Christ, and in order to have unity and order, there has to be arrangements in place. As the first century Christians had, there were men taking the lead, (Acts 6:1-6) as with Moses, (Exodus 18:21) and in our day, in following with Bible truths, we do the same. When people twist that around to us worshiping men, it is just a straight out lie! Why would the Scripture at 1 Tim. 3:1-10, 12, 13 give the criteria for men reaching out for an office of overseer if that was not meant to be? (Phil 1:1, Acts 20:17, 28, Eph. 4:11, 12, 2 Cor. 3:4-6). If we were not supposed to have men who take the lead, why was this scripture penned? James 5:14-15 "Is there anyone sick among YOU? Let him call the older men of the congregation to [him], and let them pray over him, greasing [him] with oil in the name of Jehovah. 15 And the prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him."

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If you have legit questions and want to know the truth, please ask, but if you are here to spread your lies and twists of the scriptures or get your falsehoods out, you may get rejected! The truth is from the Bible, if what you say does not harmonize with the Bible then what you say is wrong! Context and other scriptures help determine scriptures that may stump us, let scripture interpret scripture. The Bible does not contradict itself, so if what you are being taught or if what you are teaching makes it seem like the Bible is contradictory, remember it's not the Bible it's the man-made teaching! Doctrines of men! Mark 7:6, 7 "He said to them: “Isaiah aptly prophesied about YOU hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honor me with [their] lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 7 It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines commands of men." (also Romans 10:2, 3)

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Matthew 24:14 says "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." We are doing that today, we are living in times of Bible Prophecy and as a Jehovah's Witness, we have the privilege to be apart of a prophecy spoken by Jesus himself! The good news of the Kingdom. Ask yourself, what kingdom? then read Daniel 2:44! It's a real government. Take heed now! Listening to men over God will mean your life.(Prov 3:5,6, Ps. 146:3) A lie will never become truth, No matter how long or how many people say it or speak it. Learn what the Bible really teaches, seek out Jehovah's ways, serving God in truth is only acceptable to him,(John 4:23, 24) you can not be serving God acceptably if what you believe is a lie! Pray for understanding and ask Jehovah to search your heart and draw you! (John 6:44, 65) Now is the time to be with the people who are called by Jehovah's name! (Acts 15:14, 17, Isa. 43:7, 10, Zech 8:23)

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