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Every posting I see from Derrick or Richard contradict one another.

Derrick Holland claims the Trinity is made of "three separate persons' and naming them as follows.
1) First Separate Person- Jehovah
2) Second Separate Person-Jesus
3) Third Separate Person- Jehovah

Richard, claims that YHWH is the trinity being himself and that the Third Separate Person has No Name. Same religion but different doctrines.

Every time there is upheaval in the JW Forum, there is Derrick Holland and Richard in the midst of introducing man-made doctrines. Derrick Holland claims Luke 23:43 is not to be taken in a literal sense. "today you will be with me in Paradise" Derrick claims today doesn't mean today but three days? Today doesn't mean today? Would Jesus be deceptive like that? Is the Bible lying?

Richard claims Jesus went to Sheol when he died and preached to the imprisoned spirits who were disobedient in Noah's day. My question is where was Jesus during this time period death before be was Resurrected?? Thank you.

Yes. The Bible is The Final Authority.  Baptists in generalities teach three personalities are in one essence.  They conclude this is a biblical teaching of "three separate persons" make up one God.  If we are to take God's Word as the Final Authority we should find those teachings in our Bibles.  Both Modalism and Trinitarism is absent from the pages of God's Word for Jesus himself states, God is a spirit in (John 4:24)  Therefore, Modalism doctrines and Trinitarism doctrines are literally absent and cannot be found in the Bible. If you can show me a literal verse of "three separate persons" in the Bible, I would be willing to listen to it.

Your question: "where was Jesus during this time period death before be was Resurrected??"

Both Sister T and Eddie were correct that the dead are conscious of nothing and there is no work to be done.  Here are some scriptures that point that out to be the truth.

"there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol ," (Ecc 9:10 American Standard Version)
"there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave ," (Ecc 9:10 Webster's Bible Translation)
"neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell ," (Ecc 9:10 Douay-Rheims Bible) See Other translations at:

Richard claims Jesus, when he was dead , went to Sheol to preach but God's Word is not in agreement with him. "there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol ," (Ecc 9:10 American Standard Version) NO WORK. NO KNOWLEDGE, NO WISDOM. To claim there was a preaching work by Jesus in Sheol when DEAD is simply another lie he is spewing.

All Translations are in agreement that, "the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing" (Ecc 9:5 KJV)  Richard and Derrick Holland claim you cannot believe in the literal translation of this verse? Are they wolves in sheep's clothing I ask?

All verses listed are (Rev 20:13).

"Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done." (NIV)
"Sheol yielded the dead which were with them, and they were judged, one by one, according to their works." (AB)
"hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." (KJV)
"the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds." (NLT)

SO, we have people coming out of Sheol, Hades, Hell, and the Grave.  This is the Resurrection Hope that the Apostle Paul was speaking about. "I have a hope in God (a hope that these men themselves accept too) that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15 NET) If we Read (John 5:28) in the KJV, it says graves .  Since there are no unrighteous ones in heaven, there is only one other place they come from to help populate the new earth.

"Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures;" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)  Where does it say he went to Sheol to preach during the time of his death in this verse, it doesn't??  That could not be, since Jesus himself did not enter heaven that day. Instead, he was “in the heart of the earth”—the grave—for three days. (Matthew 12:40; Mark 10:34)  Even after his resurrection, he remained on earth for 40 days before ascending to heaven (Acts 1:3, 9) and then preached “to the spirits in prison”. (1 Peter 3:19- 20) Should we believe in the Bible as the Final Authority or in what Derrick and Richard say against the Bible? After all, God's Word is error free and infallible is it not?

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. According to Brother Rando, the Bible carries two thoughts in it’s passages, one is fleshy and the other is spiritual. Jesus Christ warned Peter of thinking fleshy and that this type of thinking is not from God. (Matthew 16:23) In order to measure time, a method of measurement is needed. Measuring time by “the day” would mean a 24 hour period. However, measuring “the day” spiritually would mean a period of time yet to be revealed using other scripture to interpret the method needed. By looking into the Bible, we can actually determine what God meant by “the day” when looking into his Word on how his Will would come about. As we read (Genesis 2:16-17) the punishment for disobedience was death “in the day”. As time went on, the scriptures do begin to reveal the time frame of “the day”. According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years and then he died. Satan who thinks like a man, got it wrong! (Genesis 3:4-5) Why Study the Bible


In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034.

“I fully support, acknowledge and cooperate with *The Faithful Steward and Its' Governing Body* of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I am property of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that Jesus, my brother, is appointing over his belongings. This Slave is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Earthly Organization known Worldwide as "Jehovah's Witnesses". When the Mountain-like organizations act against God's chosen people after Babylon has been destroyed, Jehovah will slaughter those who are touching the pupils of his eyes. Even though Babylon the Great is spoken as a woman and she has fallen in (Rev. 14:8), the sacred secret is that she is not a woman at all, but the World of False Religion that will be utterly destroyed by the personal hand of Jesus Christ as (King Abaddon) in the coming Great Tribulation never to be found again! (Matthew 24:14)

Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

According to the discussion, 1914 represents the year that the earth would enter into a time of distress and that time limit could very well be 120 years. Which again, brings up the year 2034. The year 1914 is derived by a prophecy of the end of the Gentile times. Brother Rando insists that we should not live by a date, but to use this time to get right with God. Jesus continually pointed that the people who were on the earth when he would raise God’s Temple would be like those people in Noah’s time, taking no note. Where do the 120 years come from? If we read Genesis 6:3, most people think of this scripture in the fleshy sense of man’s lifespan. But could there be a spiritual meaning, giving those with Insight a divine warning? The Bible does say, “make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.” (Daniel 12:4) Could it be, this world has entered into it’s Last Days in 1914? (1 Timothy 3:1-5) Yet there is another scripture that helps us measure the time. In Ecclesiastes 6:6 it reads, “Even supposing that he has lived a thousand years twice over and yet he has not seen what is good, is it not to just one place that everyone is going?” The chapter talks about vanity and that if a person actually lived two thousand years without God’s Kingdom we are all heading to the same place. Since death was the punishment, we would need God’s Kingdom to conquer death, the place we all are heading. A thousand years twice over is two thousand years. Simple math again brings us to the time of 2034, when the second thousand years has been brought to it’s finish. Could Christ Millennial reign be from 2034 to 3034? We don’t know. Jesus stated, he would raise God’s Temple in the third day, so we can expect God's Kingdom to be fully operating sometime between the years 2034 and 3034. However, Jesus Christ was risen first thing on the very morning in the third day. Most Bible readers are in agreement that Christ does rule for a thousand years.

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