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Reposting this post in case it doesn't show up. This is in response to Mr. Holland's latest rant against me. That I got it wrong.

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">>Wow Eddie, how long did your entire “response” take you to type?  I am really sorry that you wasted all of that valuable time trying to prove that the Baptists really do teach Hell, because that was never the question.  But dodging questions seems to be your favorite pastime.

At any rate, I think the question was really simple.  It was not about whether we believe in Hell….It was about WHO we teach goes there.  Once again, you have proven to the board that your reading comprehension skills simply do not qualify you to answer questions about the Bible, or religion in general.

You literally get it wrong every single time."<< --  Derrick Holland.

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Where to begin, where to begin?

First off, thank you for proving my point Mr. Holland!!! Fantastic confirmation of what I've known already about you.

That every time you get caught or getting closed to being exposed, you will always resort to your predictable modus operandi. One of which is word manipulation and equivocation. You parse words to mean something else, then make it appear that people have no comprehension. You attack the messenger instead of the message in the hopes of taking out the focus on for fear of getting caught. You put up straw-man arguments for fear of being exposed as a fake. You change the subject to turn the favor in your side. Then ridicule the person for not "getting it".  Too bad for you though, I'm well aware of your tactics.

And this Hellfire subject that I raised is the perfect example of what I'm talking about.

So let's start the exposure.

But first:

Why can't you answer a simple question like this one.

Why would a loving and merciful God burn and punish people in Hellfire for all eternity, if He said that "burning" people "never came up in His heart"? (Jer 7:30,31)

Or this one:

In what manner, shape or form  ""Hell IS a just punishment for those who mock and reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ" if God said that "burning" people "never came up in His heart"? (Jer 7:30,31)

Why not? Why not just answer it? Instead, you put up a straw-man argument and attack me instead of the message.

Why?

We know why. I know why. You can't answer such questions because you don't have the truth. And you're in fear of being expose as fake. Simple as that.


Now, to your straw man argument, that I "literally got it wrong ".

You said:

>>" You were asked a simple question, and you immediately started ranting about what was not even asked.  

I don’t see any question here, about whether or not Baptists teach there is a Hell.  I see a question about WHO Baptists teach, go to Hell.  You sure wasted a lot of time for nothing, with that response."<<

Really Mr. Holland?  I got it wrong?

Nope. You're the one who got it wrong. You mistakenly concluded that "I got it wrong".

Look again at your original question, you said:

>>>"The question was, again….“So, my question….Would you mind telling me which “Baptist” groups teach that only bad people go to Hell, and that good people go to Heaven?” <<

To which I responded:

***Again, from the SBC's Baptist statement of Faith, it declares that:  

"The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell. …The righteous… will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord."  

http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp

Was that clear enough Mr. Holland? I hope so.  

But since we know that you're one slick dude and will parse every word to save your behind and lay the blame on others, I need to be very clear about this. So please bear with me. The straightforward and simple to understand phrase: "bad people" that I used (in describing those who go to hell) are "the unrighteous" people. Hence when I said "bad people" I'm referring to those who are "unrighteous" in God's eyes. Am I clear on this Mr. Holland? I hope so.  

If not please let me know so that I can further clarify it. OK?   ***

So where did I got it wrong?

Really Mr. Holland? Seriously?

I'm sorry, but there's no other way to put this nicely but to be blunt. Are you this clueless?

Are you really this clueless as to assume that I didn't know what you were asking?

In fact I've been expecting that you will under estimate me.

But since you're so arrogant to even notice the weakness of your game plan, you're modus operandi, you proceeded anyway to go for it as if I don't see it.

No idea of what I'm talking about? Okay, then let me break down for you in a matter of fact way:

Please pay attention.

FACT:

In the original question, you asked "WHICH"  >"...WHICH “Baptist” groups teach that only bad people go to Hell, and that good people go to Heaven?"<

Simple, is it not? Not complicated. You're simply asking  >"WHICH "Baptist" groups teach that only bad people go to Hell, and that good people go to Heaven".

But wait, there's also another side of the question. That is, by asking WHICH, are you also asking for - who is teaching that "bad people" go to Hell? So what's the best way to answer this?

Kinda tricky isn't it?

Well exactly what I said.

So the answer I gave:

"The SBC" . They are ONE of the "groups" or denominations among the many "groups" or denominations within the Baptist sect.

And what do they teach?

According to their website, they stated / declared that:

"The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell. …The righteous… will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord."  

http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp

The SBC teaches that ""The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell"

There you go.  Clean as whistle.

Does this answer your now revised question?

"WHO Baptists teach, go to Hell"?

Let's see.

The SBC teaches that ""The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell"

Now are you going to tell me that the Southern Baptist Convention is not Baptist and not your Brethren?

I wonder?

But if they are not your Brethren and they are not Baptist, who then are they? Pagans? LOL!!!

Fact is they are Baptist and so are you - but of different denomination.

So you see Mr. Holland,  even if you turn this around and claim that you were asking "WHICH Baptist groups" teach what, the answer is still there - the SBC - Baptist.

In addition, I even CLARIFIED for you what "bad people" meant.

I said: "The straightforward and simple to understand phrase: "bad people" that I used (in describing those who go to hell) are "the unrighteous" people. Hence when I said <b>"bad people" I'm referring to those who are "unrighteous" in God's eyes."

Now, why in the world did I included the words"unrighteous" in God's eyes"?

Because I was expecting you will say this:

"Baptists do not believe you can save yourself, by being a “good” person."

In other words, no one can fool God. Man can be good in his eyes and others but God looks at the inner person. You agree don't you?

So why are you now saying that I didn't answer your original question? Or your latest?

Fact is I did. Anyway you dissect, manipulate, parse, mangle my answer, it'll end up the same way.

In other words, you failed Mr. Holland and by so doing you exposed yourself of who you are - a CHARLATAN.

But now you say this to me.

">>Wow Eddie, how long did your entire “response” take you to type?  I am really sorry that you wasted all of that valuable time trying to prove that the Baptists really do teach Hell, because that was never the question.  But dodging questions seems to be your favorite pastime.

At any rate, I think the question was really simple.  It was not about whether we believe in Hell….It was about WHO we teach goes there.  Once again, you have proven to the board that your reading comprehension skills simply do not qualify you to answer questions about the Bible, or religion in general.  

You literally get it wrong every single time."<<

Isn't that nice of you.

LOL!!!

Now how about answering these questions since you claim to be the most qualified here?

Whose idea is it to say that "Hell IS a just punishment for those who mock and reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ." ?

Yours Mr. Holland or the Lord Jesus Christ?

Whose words are these: "Hell ... a just punishment for those who mock and reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ." ?

The Lord Christ Jesus or yours Mr. Holland?

And if Hell /Eternal Hellfire is the penalty for the "unrightheous" "unforgiven", why did the Scripture say this then?

“For the wages sin pays is death,... (Romans 6:23)

“Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so also the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul who sins is the one who will die.”? (Ezekiel 18:4)

If the "soul" dies, what is being tortured, punished for all eternity?

There's more here:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2015/2/know-baptist-doctrine-c

From my other post:

Since Jonah and Jesus were righteous, why were  they in Hell?

Who sent them there?

Why would a loving and merciful God send Jonah and Jesus to Hell, if hell is a place of torture and punishment for the wicked?

What was Jesus doing in hell if he never committed any sin? Why be in hell if it's reserved for the wicked, for those who are condemned?   

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2015/2/baptist-co-worker.htm

So what say you slick? Ready for another round?

Ready to put out the fire in your Hellfire with the refreshing word of Truth - The Word of God?


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