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QUESTION: Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Your doctrines say that Jesus changed over time. angel, man, son of God. How do you anser that verse?

ANSWER: Jesus is the "Word of God" and is the same yesterday, today, and forever.  Jesus as the  "Word of God" is Jehovah's Chief Messenger (John 1:1), the root of David and the bright morning star (Rev 22:16) and Jehovah's only begotten son (John 3:16) whom was 'born again'.  (Hebrews 1:6)

"Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we acknowledge—Jesus." (Hebrews 3:1)  These new titles doesn't change Jesus at all.  He is also called Immanuel and Shiloh, does that make him different?

Servants of God are often given a New Name when doing a special assignment, they have a NAME assigned to them, but you would not know that.  "For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,  so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground—  and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11)

The Trinity Doctrine rejects Jesus Christ is Lord by omitting him.  You won't find Jesus, Christ, or Lord in any trinity doctrine.  "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)  

If you still think the Trinity is Christian, you been fooled and lied too, it leads people away from CHRIST.  The Trinity doe not give witness that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up from the dead.  Where is Christ in the trinity doctrine?  SHOW ME one verse that shows Jesus being another almighty god, one of three gods, or the Trinity God itself.  Christ has no part in the trinity, it's a false concept from Satan.  

"The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name." (Rev 3:12)  







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QUESTION: WE HAVE ALREADY GONE OVER THIS MANY TIMES> JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF GENESIS 1 HE CREATED ALL THINGS. IF THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM ALMIGHTY THEN WHAT ELSE COULD>  GENESIS 1 CALLS JESUS GOD. SO YOUR IDEA IS WRONG AND JESUS ALMIGHTY GOD.

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If Jesus is not speaking in (REV 3:12) then who is it?  The Almighty God wouldn't have another God would he?  Also Genesis does not state that Jesus is Almighty God.   ALMIGHTY and JESUS are absent from (GENESIS 1:1).  

If Jesus is not speaking to Mary Magdalene, then who is it?  "Jesus said to her : “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." (John 20:17)  Since you claim, "JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF GENESIS 1 HE CREATED ALL THINGS."  How is it he has "brothers"?  Did he create a Father and God for himself?  Why does Jesus submit to something he CREATED? "Again, a second time, he went off and prayed: “My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away unless I drink it, let your will take place.” (Matthew 26:42)

If Jesus is Almighty God and an apostle, then are the eleven apostles "Eleven Almighty Gods"?   "Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God ." (Mark 10:18)  Why is Jesus rebuking the man and says "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.'

You are aware that within the Trinity Doctrine, none of it's parts are referred to as Almighty God, not even the Trinity itself.  If each part is Almighty God, then wouldn't that make them three Almighty Gods since they are supposed to be SEPARATE PERSONS?  Your theology is off, you forgot the TRINITY itself.  Then again, if the Trinity is Almighty God then what happened to "the three separate persons"?

Wouldn't you have to say your theology is false?  IF 'GENESIS 1 CALLS JESUS GOD' and 'JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF GENESIS 1 HE CREATED ALL THINGS' then was Jesus lying about (John 3:16)?  

How can the God JESUS CREATED SEND HIM?  "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."  How is it that the only begotten Son CREATE GOD?  Are you admitting to this forum that the Trinity is a creation??

I thought the Trinity Doctrine states that God consists of 'three separate persons'?  If Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD then what happened to the 'three separate persons'?  When was this ALMIGHTY GOD BEGOTTEN and by whom?  How can the ALMIGHTY BEGOTTEN GOD have a FATHER if 'JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF GENESIS 1 HE CREATED ALL THINGS'?  I thought GOD ALWAYS existed.  Is the Father a LESSER GOD?  The Father wasn't begotten.


Thank you.
Brother Rando


PS... Please Quote the scripture that you claim says, "GENESIS 1 CALLS JESUS GOD."  There is No Salvation in believing that Jesus is Almighty God.  

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. According to Brother Rando, the Bible carries two thoughts in it’s passages, one is fleshy and the other is spiritual. Jesus Christ warned Peter of thinking fleshy and that this type of thinking is not from God. (Matthew 16:23) In order to measure time, a method of measurement is needed. Measuring time by “the day” would mean a 24 hour period. However, measuring “the day” spiritually would mean a period of time yet to be revealed using other scripture to interpret the method needed. By looking into the Bible, we can actually determine what God meant by “the day” when looking into his Word on how his Will would come about. As we read (Genesis 2:16-17) the punishment for disobedience was death “in the day”. As time went on, the scriptures do begin to reveal the time frame of “the day”. According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years and then he died. Satan who thinks like a man, got it wrong! (Genesis 3:4-5) Why Study the Bible

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In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034.

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“I fully support, acknowledge and cooperate with *The Faithful Steward and Its' Governing Body* of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I am property of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that Jesus, my brother, is appointing over his belongings. This Slave is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Earthly Organization known Worldwide as "Jehovah's Witnesses". When the Mountain-like organizations act against God's chosen people after Babylon has been destroyed, Jehovah will slaughter those who are touching the pupils of his eyes. Even though Babylon the Great is spoken as a woman and she has fallen in (Rev. 14:8), the sacred secret is that she is not a woman at all, but the World of False Religion that will be utterly destroyed by the personal hand of Jesus Christ as (King Abaddon) in the coming Great Tribulation never to be found again! (Matthew 24:14)

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Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

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According to the discussion, 1914 represents the year that the earth would enter into a time of distress and that time limit could very well be 120 years. Which again, brings up the year 2034. The year 1914 is derived by a prophecy of the end of the Gentile times. Brother Rando insists that we should not live by a date, but to use this time to get right with God. Jesus continually pointed that the people who were on the earth when he would raise God’s Temple would be like those people in Noah’s time, taking no note. Where do the 120 years come from? If we read Genesis 6:3, most people think of this scripture in the fleshy sense of man’s lifespan. But could there be a spiritual meaning, giving those with Insight a divine warning? The Bible does say, “make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.” (Daniel 12:4) Could it be, this world has entered into it’s Last Days in 1914? (1 Timothy 3:1-5) Yet there is another scripture that helps us measure the time. In Ecclesiastes 6:6 it reads, “Even supposing that he has lived a thousand years twice over and yet he has not seen what is good, is it not to just one place that everyone is going?” The chapter talks about vanity and that if a person actually lived two thousand years without God’s Kingdom we are all heading to the same place. Since death was the punishment, we would need God’s Kingdom to conquer death, the place we all are heading. A thousand years twice over is two thousand years. Simple math again brings us to the time of 2034, when the second thousand years has been brought to it’s finish. Could Christ Millennial reign be from 2034 to 3034? We don’t know. Jesus stated, he would raise God’s Temple in the third day, so we can expect God's Kingdom to be fully operating sometime between the years 2034 and 3034. However, Jesus Christ was risen first thing on the very morning in the third day. Most Bible readers are in agreement that Christ does rule for a thousand years.

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Armageddon is the actual cleansing of the earth from all wickedness. If in the literal sense, it would consist of angels coming down from heaven to bring death to all those rejecting the Kingdom of God. But if it is spiritual, Armageddon could very will take place without the knowledge that it is actually occurring. If this is the case, then Armageddon would commence without the knowledge that the wicked are simply dying off. There seems to be evidence in scripture to how God destroyed the forefather’s in the wilderness. They died off in the wilderness at the hand of the destroyer without knowing of such, as Paul eloquently explains in 1 Corinthians 10:1-10. If.....

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