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We're all faithful early Christians in the first century, from 33 C.E.- 1914, automatically chosen as, anointed ones?

Jesus said: "I have other sheep'...." (John 10:16) In the PRESENT TENSE. Could that have indicated that not even all faithful ones in the first century would be chosen as anointed ones?

The heavenly hope was the primary hope being held out at that time. It was not until the end of first century was the number 144000 revealed.  Could some early christians, have assumed, to be anointed, not having a full understanding, simular to what happened to some brothers pre-1935???

The reason I ask, is I knew of a Sister who was baptized as far back as 1914, she was very strong spiritual person, but said she never felt anointed and in 1935 was much relieved.

If all faithful Christians in the first century, had the heavenly hope, would the number 144000 have been filled long ago between 33 C.E.  and now, or perhaps even before 1935 C.E. ?

We know there are still thousands today (relatively young) partaking.  We are counseled not to assume they are not annointed. No one knows for sure how many have claimed the heavenly hope, but wouldn't it have to be well over 144000 by now?

WTS quote "Jehovah chooses when in history he will select anointed ones. (Rom. 8:28-30) Jehovah began choosing anointed ones after Jesus’ death and resurrection, and IT SEEMS that all in the first-century Christian congregation were anointed. From the first century until the beginning of the last days, the vast majority of those who claimed to follow Christ were false Christians; Jesus likened them to “weeds."

The Faithful Slave said said " It 'SEEMS' that all in the first-century Christian congregation were anointed".

Also, I never thought of it before now, but If all baptized Christians were anointed, in first century then it's possible, at least, that there could have been children well under 10 years old who were anointed. And because, very young children aren't old enough to make the decision to follow Jehovah, but they come under their parent's supervision until of age.  There was a picture in one of our publications  showing our poor brothers and sisters, with their children, being fed to the lions in an arena in the 1st century.  That pic got me thinking.  Since the parents were anointed, what of the children who died a martyrs death?

I remember Bro Sydlik of the Governing Body, said there was a boy who was 11yrs, who was a Prisoner in Germany during Hitlers reign, who claimed to be of the anointed and who stood up to speak the Truth to defend his brothers, got shot in his other brothers behalf.

Your thoughts!

It would seem that it is possible that all that were called and chosen were indeed of the anointed, especially between the years Pentecost 33 CE to 100 CE.

To count those who would be of the anointed, we can only conclude from scripture. Starting with Pentecost we have about 120 Baptized with Holy Spirit.  The scriptures go on and says, "So those who gladly accepted his word were baptized, and on that day about 3,000 people were added." (Acts 2:41) We can add, "However, many of those who had listened to the speech believed, and the number of the men became about 5,000." (Acts 4:4)

So we have 8,120 anointed ones that have been accounted for if we simply add them.  However, in digging into the scripture, it doesn't say 5,000 were added, but the number of the men became about 5,000.  Outside of this number, we don't see any other mass conversions in the scriptures.  We know that the Apostle Paul was busy in building one congregation after another.  We just don't know how many congregations were built nor how big they were.  

We know that women were counted in the number of the 120, so it would be a safe assumption that the 5,000 included women also. If not, then the numbers could swell upward toward 10,000.  Even at that, the numbers are not overwhelming but conservative.  I studied this before and it would be speculation but the period would be from Pentecost 33 CE to 100 CE.  The numbers seem to be increasing well into the 90's of the first century. Then an apostasy began and many went astray.  So the numbers aren't a certainty, but 30,000 to 40,000 anointed ones for the first century is very reasonable.

From 100 CE to 1914 CE, the numbers are almost non-existent.  We know it's likely Jehovah would collect a representative from every generation since, but those numbers indicate a "chosen few" indeed!  We just don't have the answer at this time.  So, if there were 40,000 chosen from 33 CE to 100 CE and we add 4,000 from 100 CE to 1914 CE we only have a total of 44,000 anointed ones to the Last Days.  That would leave 100,000 left to be collected and sealed in the time of the end, otherwise known as the harvest. "The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels." (Matthew 13:39)

It's possible for Jehovah to choose whom he chooses even at age 11. Who can check his hand?  The scriptures under the Mosaic Law provided an age of 25 before one could serve as a Levite.  But again, who can check Jehovah's hand if he personally approves someone?

The only example of a child coming to the truth was Timothy and we don't have an age but more than likely he was a teenager.  The Apostle Paul's ministry was about 40 years in length before he claimed that he had fought the fine fight.  Then of course, we have Stephen who was the first martyr.  He was given a fine vision for his loyalty and faithfulness to witness Christ's Presence in Kingdom Power as he fell asleep in death.

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. According to Brother Rando, the Bible carries two thoughts in it’s passages, one is fleshy and the other is spiritual. Jesus Christ warned Peter of thinking fleshy and that this type of thinking is not from God. (Matthew 16:23) In order to measure time, a method of measurement is needed. Measuring time by “the day” would mean a 24 hour period. However, measuring “the day” spiritually would mean a period of time yet to be revealed using other scripture to interpret the method needed. By looking into the Bible, we can actually determine what God meant by “the day” when looking into his Word on how his Will would come about. As we read (Genesis 2:16-17) the punishment for disobedience was death “in the day”. As time went on, the scriptures do begin to reveal the time frame of “the day”. According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years and then he died. Satan who thinks like a man, got it wrong! (Genesis 3:4-5) Why Study the Bible


In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034.

“I fully support, acknowledge and cooperate with *The Faithful Steward and Its' Governing Body* of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I am property of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that Jesus, my brother, is appointing over his belongings. This Slave is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Earthly Organization known Worldwide as "Jehovah's Witnesses". When the Mountain-like organizations act against God's chosen people after Babylon has been destroyed, Jehovah will slaughter those who are touching the pupils of his eyes. Even though Babylon the Great is spoken as a woman and she has fallen in (Rev. 14:8), the sacred secret is that she is not a woman at all, but the World of False Religion that will be utterly destroyed by the personal hand of Jesus Christ as (King Abaddon) in the coming Great Tribulation never to be found again! (Matthew 24:14)

Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

According to the discussion, 1914 represents the year that the earth would enter into a time of distress and that time limit could very well be 120 years. Which again, brings up the year 2034. The year 1914 is derived by a prophecy of the end of the Gentile times. Brother Rando insists that we should not live by a date, but to use this time to get right with God. Jesus continually pointed that the people who were on the earth when he would raise God’s Temple would be like those people in Noah’s time, taking no note. Where do the 120 years come from? If we read Genesis 6:3, most people think of this scripture in the fleshy sense of man’s lifespan. But could there be a spiritual meaning, giving those with Insight a divine warning? The Bible does say, “make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.” (Daniel 12:4) Could it be, this world has entered into it’s Last Days in 1914? (1 Timothy 3:1-5) Yet there is another scripture that helps us measure the time. In Ecclesiastes 6:6 it reads, “Even supposing that he has lived a thousand years twice over and yet he has not seen what is good, is it not to just one place that everyone is going?” The chapter talks about vanity and that if a person actually lived two thousand years without God’s Kingdom we are all heading to the same place. Since death was the punishment, we would need God’s Kingdom to conquer death, the place we all are heading. A thousand years twice over is two thousand years. Simple math again brings us to the time of 2034, when the second thousand years has been brought to it’s finish. Could Christ Millennial reign be from 2034 to 3034? We don’t know. Jesus stated, he would raise God’s Temple in the third day, so we can expect God's Kingdom to be fully operating sometime between the years 2034 and 3034. However, Jesus Christ was risen first thing on the very morning in the third day. Most Bible readers are in agreement that Christ does rule for a thousand years.

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