About Janko Expertise I am a qualified minister of Jehovah`s Witnesses and fully capable of answering any or all questions on our faith as well as others too, and the correct understanding of the Bible,which is God`s Word.
Experience My experience with our faith is quite substantial and was introduced to it in the 1960's as a child.
Question Wow you are beginning to sound very defensive again. How judgemental are you, calling me a false Christian.. hmmmmmm I don't belong to a religion that has taken the Glorious Sacred coming of Christ in vain. While history proves your forefathers making that mistake many times. Just because they wanted the GLORY to say, I TOLD YOU SO. Well they have that glory and the glory are their FOLLOWERS. Christ is the mediator between GOD and men NOT a governing body who you claim to be chosen by jehovah spirit. What makes you strong is to become judgemental to all others who does not share your belief. What makes you strong is arrogance puts you up on a high pedestal looking down on everyone else. What makes you strong is ignorance, because when you feel pressure you will call it persecution to justify it in biblical terms. Look at your green book about the kingdom of God. It will dedicate only a small paragraph describing the Kingdom in a form of power. Your book never gets to detailed on it. Since you rely to much in your book, you will never come to know in detail, unless you really put your trust only in his word and no other book, including the sets of green book.
So tell me, before you all decided it was 1914, was it a different year if so what year was it first?
And how many times did you all changed the date and the circumstances?
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We all know that the KINGDOM of GOD, ALWAYS is a place in heaven. We all know that the SON's Kingdom will be established in your case it was established in 1914. Only the Father knows not even the Son knew, But somehow after 3 attempts your governing body broke the code and figured out what the Son did not know! THE KINGDOM WITHIN: Mat5:3 "Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them. Mat 11:12 But from the days of John the baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. Mat 12:28 But if it is by means of God's spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken you. Mat13:31,32 ... is like a mustard grain (a seed). Mat13:44 ...which a men had found and hid;...
Luke 10:9-11...the kingdom of God has come near to you... Rom 14:17... but means righteousness and peace and joy WITH holy spirit. 1Cor4:20 ... but in POWER.
[[I'm pretty sure you won't get it]] I will tell you this much, I had already proven it to other of your witnesses the meaning of the KINGDOM WITHIN. Something else, you call yourself a minister. STOP calling others a fool just because you disagree with them, minister janko!
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The salvation is not in specific religion nor organizations. The kingdom of GOD is within. And yes I do agree with you. Your organization will only be neighbors with the UN. And should not be taking part of any UN events. I still associate and study with jehovah witnesses regardless of the association. I have a question: If 1935 was consider to be the time when the 144,000 anointed was fullfilled, can there be a possibility of other witnesses who are not over 45yrs of age consider himself as one of the anointed?
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You said: You can't seem to get it through your head that those past errors have nothing to do with our present. And you are right, Charles T russel and his past errors and yet at the present stage you consider him to be one of the 144,000 anointed. So for me to ask a question about charles T russel and his pyramid has nothing to do with the present reason you validate his selection for 144,000? Especially having the pyramid in his tombstone.
Minister janko, I can't seem to get it through my head that those past errors have nothing to do with our present. That in this present stage, considering that the UN is the beast in revelation; http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/ngo-docs.html The Jehovah witnesses as an Associated NGO with the DPI/UN has terminated their membership in Oct 2001, a secret marriage that lasted for 10yrs. And also questionable on why they partook in this blasphemy event: http://whqlibdoc.who.int/hq/2001/WHO_BCT_01.03.pdf
PERSECUTION:
When a person ask you questions that you find hard to answer you will call it persecution just to validate your organization as victims in biblical terms. Instead of calling the feeling what it really is; PRESURE! What you feel is pressure not an act of PERSECUTION!
Isreal always been in the threat of elimination because of who they are. They know what persecution is, not you. GOD bless Isreal!
Question: When did the selection of 144,000 anointed came to be fullfilled?
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Do you believe that it is very important to know about the history of your founding fathers?
For instance someone like me who is very interested searching for truth. In the beginning I had no knowledge of what jehovah witnesses believed in. So my first questions for jehovah witnesses were how it was founded, what is the history. The witnesses were not able talk straight about their history. I had no other choice then to do the search on my own. It was very disturbing to find out the history. And yes I must admit many information was extremely exagerated. But regardless of exageration it shock me to a point of scrutinize everything the jehovah witness teaches. Will you blame others who are disturbed by your history? You need to understand why they are so disturbed. Once you do understand then you will be able to know how to talk to them. But I don't see jehovah witnesses able to reach those honest people who are disturbed by your past. Because at the moment of dealing with these honest people the jehovah witnesses becomes defensive and disgusted with the situation the other person reveals. How would you deal with those honest people? You will not be able to talk to them because of their knowledge of your history. You will be able to talk with people who has no knowledge. But then how would you reach out to those who are disturbed without getting defensive? Do not blame those who put you on the spot and scrutinize everything you say.
I asked you about your own founding father. And you lack of that knowledge. Why was Charles T Russel so fascinated with the pyramid to the point that he took it straight to his tombstone? He traveled to see the pyramids, he took measurements because he wanted to prove something biblical. I have to tell you something: I have traveled to eqypt I seen pyramids. And the only feeling I get is false eqyptian gods. And I will not take the pyramid to my tombstone. You believe that it is obsurd to say that Charles T Russel was trying to convince himself that the pyramid was built by God. So then again you don't even have an answer. So why did he take it straight to his grave? The pyramid was built for the eqyptian gods. You need to be familiar with your past and need to be awake nowadays and see what is going on. Keep up to date with everything the governing body does. So when people do ask, you will have the answer. For instance, I know if I ask you this question you will become defensive, Did you know Watchtower had various NonGovernmental Organizations Associated with the DPI/UN for 10yrs, 1991-2001? Remember the WHO health day. I tried to inform you, but you defensively ignore the facts. I am trying to let you know what is going around about Watchtower involvement as an Associated NGO with the DPI/UN. Yes the same UN that you consider to be the beast revealed in revelation. I am not attacking you in any shape or form. I am trying to let you know something that is unknown to you. Once the whistle blower revealed this association. The watch tower requested to terminate their association with the DPI/UN. You cannot ignore this and let this go on. The Watch Tower realized that it was a mistake. They will see the consequences for this action once it becomes more revealed to the world, but nontheless they will continue providing their services to their followers. You have to know all this, so when someone do ask you then you should be able to provide an honest answer.
Other jehovah witnesses already called the governing body about this matter. Trust me I know. I know many jehovah witnesses.
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Do you know anyone or recommend a book that can provide the reason why he was so intrigued with the pyramid and the history behind why he wanted it on his tombstone?
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Did russel actually try to convince himself that the pyramid was built by GOD? And was that the reason why he had a pyramid on his tombstone?
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No that is obsurd,he never portrayed himself like that to give that impression.I don't know what the whole story behind the pryamid.
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The only book I can think of with a lot of information on C.T.Russell is the big green book that you can get from any Jehovah's Witness called"Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom" This is a complete history book of the beginning and the present of Jehovah's Witnesses and it starts with C.T.Russell. Janko
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You can't seem to get it through your head that those past errors have nothing to do with our present.Your reaching for something that isn't going to help in your quest for the truth because you don't want the truth but ony to prove something on your own to satisfy yourselve.We all nearly seven million of us all no our entire history and will still have ouer faith.You can get our publication in a big green bookcalled Jehovah's Witness-Proclaiming God's Kingdom
which gives a entire look at who,what and where about us.You are barking up the wrong tree to find ypour salvation
because you ain't gonna get by persecuting us,we are God's people today and Jesus Christ's true disciples and that is the fact of the matter.If you get a thrill by what you found from our past,so what,what good is to you?We have all moved on and it is time for you to do the same.
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You sound like you have been around those calling themselves the Lords witnesses because these are the things they are talking about and spreading these false accusations
about our organization.Our affiliation with the U.N.has nothing to do with political matters but only as a neighbor
just accross the street.We do consider them as the scarlet colored beast mentioned in Revelation and is a part of Satans political system which will be destroyed soon along with all of false religion.Do you honestly believe that our organization would get mixed up with something they know what they know about them(U.N.)that would be ludicrious on your part and all who think as you do.Please if this is all you are interested in and not about your salvation,then don't bother us with this nonsense.Thank you,Janko
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The answer is no in regards to anybody 45 years old.There remains just under 8,000 in the world of the remaining remnant here on earth that make up the 144,000 annointed.
There is the possibility that because of some of the chosen ones that stumble will be replaced by others.No the Kingdom of God is not within a persons heart or anywhere else for that matter,but it is a real government that we all pray for in the Lords Prayer"Let you Kingdom come,Let your will be done on the new earth and in the new heavens"Daniel 2:44
explains this kingdom which it was said who will rule in heaven and over the earth,that being Jesus.He went preaching that the kingdom of the heavens is near.This kingdom is made of of the 144,000 co-rulers with Jesus Christ.Whoever the Jehovah's Witnesses you are conversing with should answer all your questions.
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You are still wrong in everything you are trying to prove because you are not a true Christian and belong to the only true religion on earth today.You need to go to your own false Christian site on here and claim your case to people like yourself and not us.Most of us have come out of the world with the same stupid beliefs you have but have broken away from it because we are reasonable,you are not.You don;t use Jehovah's Most Holy name in your worship or go door to door as Jesus commanded for all his followewrs to do
and you still celebrate all the pagan holidays&birthdays as well as participate in wars and politics and are a part of the world,which on the other hand we are just the opposite and obey all of Jesus commands,mainly the first and greatest commandment all of that Jesus said to do was to love Jehovah your God with all your heart,soul,and mind and then the second most was loving your neighbor as yourself,
and we are the only ones who can hold that claim that no one
else can.You are yout laity will go to war and kill another human being and think that it is God's will,so sad all the blood shed that has been brought about in the name of God by your Christendom.
Answer Well it's true you are a false Christian who belongs to Christendom,the weeds,goats,and the many who are off to destruction on that road.Yes there were a few miscalculations as to when Jesus second presence would be but after the light got brighter with knowledge we camre to the correct conclusion based on the prophecies in Daniel. Here is how we arrived at this date of 1914:
1914 a Marked Year—Why?
WHERE were you in the year 1914? Would you answer: ‘I was not born’? But a few million people today can still remember the year 1914.
In 1914 Mary was completing her last year in high school, learning German and anticipating a rewarding career as a schoolteacher. That summer, before going off to college, she was out in the fields of her father’s farm on the northeastern coast of the United States picking worms off the shiny skins of ripening tomatoes when halfway around the world, in Sarajevo, an assassin’s bullet cut short the life of an Austrian archduke. It sparked the explosion of World War I. When news of the war reached Mary, she thought: ‘It has come true! Just what the Bible Students were saying has come true; 1914 is going to be a marked year!’
Mary was not the only one who felt that way about world events. On August 30, 1914, the arresting headline “End of All Kingdoms in 1914” blazed across page 4 of the Sunday magazine section of The World, a leading New York newspaper. “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy,” stated this feature article. “For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students [Jehovah’s Witnesses],’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists who, representing this strange creed, have gone up and down the country enunciating the doctrine that ‘the Kingdom of God is at hand.’”
Whether you were alive in that year or not, 1914 should mean more to you than a mere calendar sheet curled and yellowed with age or a headline on a crumbled magazine page. It is a momentous year that touches your life today.
Why Is 1914 a Marked Year?
How did Jehovah’s Witnesses know more than 30 years in advance that 1914 would be an important date for divine rulership? Though the Witnesses at the time did not understand the full implication of events about to take place, the Watch Tower magazine as far back as December of 1879 pointed to 1914 as a marked date in regard to Bible prophecy. And the March 1880 issue of the Watch Tower linked God’s Kingdom rule with the ending of what Jesus Christ referred to as “the appointed times of the nations,” or “the times of the Gentiles.” (Luke 21:24; Authorized Version) That Watch Tower said: “‘The Times of the Gentiles’ extend to 1914, and the heavenly kingdom will not have full sway till then.”
What is meant by the expression ‘Gentile Times,’ or “appointed times of the nations”? And how is it connected with God’s Kingdom? To answer these questions, let us take a more detailed look at Jesus’ words. He said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations [Gentiles], until the appointed times of the nations [Gentiles] are fulfilled.”—Luke 21:24.
What is meant by “Jerusalem”? It points to God’s Kingdom. How do we know? Ancient Israel was God’s chosen people from 1513 B.C.E. down to the first century of our Common Era. (Exodus 19:6; Matthew 23:37, 38) Jehovah organized them under a typical theocratic government, or God-rule. Jerusalem became the capital city. It was there that the God-anointed line of kings from David sat “upon Jehovah’s throne.” They ruled as kings for Jehovah. (1 Chronicles 29:23; 2 Chronicles 9:8) The Cyclopaedia by M’Clintock and Strong states: “Jerusalem had been made the imperial residence of the king of all Israel; and the Temple, often called ‘the house of Jehovah,’ constituted at the same time the residence of the King of kings, the supreme head of the theocratical state.”
When and how was Jerusalem trampled on by the Gentiles? The trampling began in 607 B.C.E. How? By the abrupt ending of the Davidic dynasty. King Zedekiah was dethroned and the city of Jerusalem destroyed by waves of invading Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar. The Bible at Ezekiel 21:26, 27 foretold this breach in the Davidic line of kings by saying: “Lift off the crown . . . it will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.” God’s rule was under restraint until “the appointed times of the nations” would end. Thus, the Gentile Times were a time period when the nations ruled without Jehovah God’s having a government to represent his rulership in the earth.
When the Gentile Times ended, Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the One “who has the legal right,” Jesus Christ. Therefore, 1914 would mark the time when Christ began to rule as King in God’s heavenly Kingdom, and since his rulership extends down to this day, it touches you.
How was the chronology figured to mark 1914? The June 1880 issue of the Watch Tower magazine explains: “The long period of 2520 years and their bitter experience under the dominion of the beasts, (human governments, Dan. vii.) is clearly represented in Dan. iv., by the ‘seven times’ of Nebuchadnezzar and his bitter experience among the beasts.” So we must return to the baffling dream of the Babylonian king to trace its line of chronology to 1914.
Prophetic Blueprint
Jehovah, by means of his prophets, has always given his people a prophetic blueprint to follow. “For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets,” states Amos 3:7. For example, Noah was God’s special messenger over 4,000 years ago. Jehovah gave Noah a prophetic warning of the watery destruction that was to come upon that wicked world. (Genesis 6:3; 7:4) What occurred then was also a pattern of a future destruction of the ungodly during the invisible “presence of the Son of man,” Jesus Christ. (Matthew 24:37-39) So it should not seem unusual that what Daniel traced out for Nebuchadnezzar’s world rulership—his fall and his return to power—was also a small-scale illustration of variations in theocratic world domination by God’s anointed King.
What do we see when we examine the prophetic pattern of Daniel 4:10-17? The giant, heaven-high tree represents divine rulership. The tree was cut down when God’s Kingdom of Judah with its capital in Jerusalem fell in 607 B.C.E. After “seven times” of beastly rule by the nations passed, the two constraining bands of metal were released, and divine rulership was restored when Jesus Christ began to rule as King in God’s heavenly government in 1914.
A Day for a Year
How do we know that the “seven times” are 2,520 years? The calculations are made in a way similar to those made by the Watch Tower Society’s first president, C. T. Russell, in 1877 and recorded in the book he coauthored entitled The Three Worlds. This is how it is done: In Revelation chapter 12, verses 6 and 14, we learn that 1,260 days are equal to “a time [that is, 1 time] and times [that is, 2 times] and half a time,” or a total of 3 1/2 times. So “a time” would be equal to 360 days. “Seven times” would be 360 multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days. Now if we count a day for a year, according to a Bible rule, the “seven times” equal 2,520 years. (Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6) Therefore, the duration of the “seven times,” the Gentile Times, is from 607 B.C.E. to 1914 C.E.
What reasons are there for believing that Nebuchadnezzar’s prophetic tree dream stretches into our 20th century and finds fulfillment in God’s Kingdom? One reason is this: Much of the book of Daniel involves prophecies that find fulfillment in world rulership and God’s Kingdom after the lifetime of Daniel. Read, for example, Daniel chapter 2. It depicts a multimetal image representing successive world powers that are pulverized. By what? God’s Kingdom! (Daniel 2:44) Or read Daniel chapter 7 where successive world governments are seen as wild beasts rising out of the sea and finally being replaced by one rulership. Which one? God’s Kingdom! (Daniel 7:14) Or read Daniel chapters 11 and 12. In those chapters a king of the north and a king of the south keep testing each other out in a battle for world supremacy until they meet their defeat at the hand of Prince Michael. (Daniel 12:1) Who is this Michael? Jesus Christ, ruler in God’s Kingdom!
Thus the year 1914 was marked for a very good reason. It signaled the start of the righteous rule toward the earth by God’s Kingdom. It spelled doom for the wicked. It pointed to “the last days” of this ungodly system of things. (2 Timothy 3:1) It signaled a countdown to the start of a Paradise earth.
There are other reasons why 1914 is a marked year that touches you. These will be considered in future issues of The Watchtower.
