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i have to unlock a little cole safe with a dial of 35 number. i dont have numbers but i knew there were a way to calculate the combinaison with the numbers on the side of the safe. but i dont remember how, i dont use it enought. i remember i was calculating it with a chalk because we had to erase some number. but i dont remember how i was doing. Can you help me with that!

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Carl,

I'm not sure "what you were calculating", but manufacturers NEVER associated combinations with serial numbers or any other number that they placed on a container, for obvious security and liability reasons.

If the numbers were written by a previous owner, then while the numbers place there may have association with the combination, they have no reference to the safe.

I'm not sure where you got the idea concerning a "calculation" available for combinations, but someone was simply pulling your leg.

If you are looking for the "dialing sequence", then this is NOT a calculation.   The sequence will depend on how many wheels in your lock.   As several locks were used on these cabinets, the sequence may be one of a number of variations.   All of the Cole cabinets I've seen had three wheel locks and 100 number dials.

I would assume that with a 35 number dial, your container would only have 2 combination wheels and a drive wheel, giving you a sequence of:

3 times right to the first number,
2 times left to the second number,
1 time right to the third number,


If you were working with numbers left by a previous owner, you would need to provide me with the numbers that you are currently working with, so that I can get some idea of what you have, and possibly what you are doing wrong.

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