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# Locksmithing/COBINATION

Question
I BOUGHT  A OLD INVINICBLE FILE CABINET SAFE THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE COMBINATION . ON THE DOOR OF THE SAFE IT HAS SCRATCH IN IT
0731396 I FIGURE 0 AS THE STARTING  POINT BUT AFTER THAT I'M LOST
ANY IDEAS

Melvin,

sorry but "0" is not the starting point, there really is no starting point, if you need it use it , just as long as you understand that starting at "0" is for YOUR benefit, and NOT the locks.

The dialing sequence for locks on Invincible Cabinets and chests should be:

4 times right to the first number,
3 times left to the second number,
2 times right to the third number,
1 time left until the dial stops

Note:  Left is counter clockwise, right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.

ASSUMING that the numbers "scratched" into the door of the container are the combination, you can try:

4 times right to the first number, 07
3 times left to the second number, 31
2 times right to the third number, 39
1 time left until the dial stops  (around 6)

For the first number you would turn the dial clockwise (right), stopping the fourth time the number 7 arrives at the index, then reverse the direction, turning counter clockwise (left), stopping the third time the number 31 arrives at the index mark, etc. etc. etc.

If it doesn't unlock, you might try reversing the directions or LRLR instead of RLRL, and you can also try other variations (backwards and forwards) of the numbers you have found.

There are ONLY three reasons that a safe lock will not open, they are:
1.  Incorrect dialing sequence, (operator errors),
2.  Incorrect combination, (wrong numbers),
3.  Mechanical Problems.

At this point if it won't open, it is either because you are making a dialing error, or the numbers are not correct - probably the latter.

If it still won't open, it is possibly time to contact a safe technician from a local safe company to have them check it out, and/or open it for you.   Note:   I never recommend using locksmiths for safe work as they generally do not have the training, knowledge or tools to work on safes or safe locks.   If you don't have a local safe company, let me know where you are located (zip code) and I'll see who I know or might recommend in your area.

Hope this helps,

Locksmithing

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