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Andy, I hope you can help me I am desperate. I don't want my elderly father to have to pay someone again to come out to his house. I have read just about all your post and no one has asked a question about a Adesco safe? My father recently changed his codes to the top and bottom of his safe.  It is a "adesco safe" serial #49084. It's about forty years old, It's about 3 ft high and heavy, its a drop safe as well. It has a dial combination.  He is able to get the top open but has forgotten or given the wrong combination for the bottom code. He just changed the codes about seven months  ago and doesn't remember what locksmith he called.  If he was to remember, do they keep record of his new codes? I have looked on the web and can not find this  Manufacture and the old number I found was
  and is no longer working. Do you have their number and is it true for them to tell me some "magic manufacture" unlocking code that will unlock his safe. If I call a tech can he save the lock or once he drills into it I have to replace it. Sorry one other question, is it worth it to Bolt  this safe to the floor?

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Hi Maria,

First off, Adesco Safe Company is no longer in business, having been acquired by FireKing International in 2005.   While they still use the "logo", it is NOT the same company.

Manufacturers ONLY kept records on the ORIGINAL combination that the safe left the factory, set on.   Once it has been changed there are no further records.  
Generally locksmiths and safe service companies DO NOT keep copies of combinations, keys or other security items for obvious security and liability reasons.   That doesn't mean that some don't, it simply means that the rule of thumbs is they should not.

You can contact FireKing International at:   800-457-2424 for information concerning their Adesco product line, but I can already tell you that they will not have any records for your fathers safe.   There is also no such thing as a manufacturers "Magic" unlocking code.   Every safe is set on a single, unique combination.   Once it has been changed the manufacturer will no longer have any useful information.

As far as the damage that may be caused to your safe during opening, this WILL depend on who you call.   In general I NEVER recommend using locksmiths for safe work as they don't have the training, knowledge or tools and can easily cause excessive damage or charge exhorbant fees.

You need a safe technician from a local safe company.    Opening the safe - if done correctly - should not damage the safe, and/or the lock.   We open 3-5 safes every day and never intentionally ruin one, and generally we don't have to replace the lock unless it is already damaged.

Last question - bolting the safe down.   After you have it operational and both doors working correctly, bolting it down is a great idea.    WHAT you bolt it down to will determine how secure it is.   Anchoring to a wooden floor is not a great idea.   Concrete anchors, when used correctly will basically make it a part of the house.   Generally safes which weigh LESS than 750 lbs, SHOULD be anchored to a concrete, slab floor.

I think that I've answered all your questions, if I missed anything or you have other questions, feel free to run them by me.

good luck.  

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

Experience

44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

Organizations
SafeCrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association (SAVTA)

Publications
The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes AllExperts.com

Education/Credentials
Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

Awards and Honors
2009 - 2015 - Listed in AllExperts Top 50 Experts. All Expert Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

Past/Present Clients
US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service Area is Northern California (Fresno to Oregon and Western Nevada)

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