Locksmithing/diebold safe


QUESTION: I am thing about buying a used diebold safe that has the follwoing information--- the number of the safe is 990619,  specification f ld.   The dimensions outside 61h 40w 26 d, inside dimensions 50 h, 34 w 20d.   How burgler proof, fire resistant is this safe.   What is its weight.   Thanks


The "Safe Manufacturers National Association" (SMNA) label you are looking at should indicate WHAT its fire resistance was originally.

The "F1-D" specification indicates that it was a Fire-insulated Safe.

It would have had a classification letter to indicate its "level".
Class "A" being a 4 hour fire resistive container,
Class "B" being a 2 hour fire resistive container,
Class "C" being a 1 hour fire resistive container.

These safes had NO Burglary resistance, if anything it might have a UL T-20 label, which indicates "TAMPER" resistance, NOT burglar resistance.

NOTE:   Safes have not been tested or rated by SMNA since 1964 at the latest.   Safes which are over 50 years old (this would include THIS safe), DO NOT meet ANY type current rating for fire resistance or burglary resistance.

If you are thinking about purchasing this container for use as a fire resistive or burglary resistive safe - DON'T!!!!!    Go out and buy something that DOES meet current standards.   If you are simply interested in it as a locking cabinet, then possibly, ok!    As long as you understand that THIS container should NOT be used for overnight storage of cash, jewelry or any valuables or valuable documents!!!!!!!

Weight based on your measurements should be in the 600-800 lb range.

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QUESTION: I failed to mention that the plate steel thickness on the sides, top, back was approximately 3/4 inch in thickness.   Would this change your opinion of the safe?


if the safe has specification "F1-D", then I really doubt that it has 3/4" thick steel.    While you may assume that the thickness of the walls is solid steel, it isn't.   It has a thin skin of steel on each side, sandwiching in the insulation material.

If the safe had 3/4" thick steel, then it would have had an additional SMNA tag, which would have indicated a burglary rating.   As your's doesn't and/or you didn't provide this information, then as far as I'm concerned (based on the information that you provided), your safe is simply a fire resistive container, built prior to 1964, under SMNA standards, which no longer meets current standards for fire resistance.

If you believe the safe has steel this thick, then by all means send me photos to illustrated what you have so that I can evaluate the container for you.   Right now all I have is your description to base an evaluation on.   While I understand that you want it to be more than what it probably is, I can only base an evaluation on the information that you have provided.  If your photos DON'T show me conclusive evidence of the steel, then I won't be changing my evaluation.    Regardless of if you want an appraisal of the safe or not, I will need the same photos for the evaluation.

In order to answer specific questions, identify, evaluate or appraise your safe, I'm going to need photos.  They should include full exterior and interior.  Detail photos should include pictures of the dial, handles, hinges, artwork, locks, bolt work, castors, cabinetry and any special details or damage.  Note:  You may have to remove the back panel on the door to gain access to the lock & bolt work – I will need these pics.
If you have a particular detail that you have a question about, I will need a photo of it along with your question.

I will also need to see any documentation that you have in regards to your safe.  If your safe has a unique historical perspective, you should be able to document this with letters, newspaper articles or photos, if not it is simply a story and will have no bearing on the value of your safe.

Please use as high a resolution as possible so that I can examine details of your safe.  Pictures which are low resolution, out of focus, or from a distance don’t help when we try to evaluate the container.  Note:  with higher resolution, you may only be able to send 2-4 pictures per email, depending on the size of the file, I have a 10mb limit per email.  If photos are larger than 2mb each, you may only be able to send 2 or 3 photos per email, requiring several emails.

Please don’t send me “cell phone” photos.   Also, please don’t use on line photo drops as most of these also don’t allow me to easily access the photos for examination.   Send the pics directly to me, while this may be more work for you, it will make my job easier.

Please send all of the requested photos to:  andy@securitysafeusa.com

Note:  As I am in the field several days each week, covering a huge service area, I may not get back to your photos immediately, but I will respond as soon as I get an opportunity.  Due to field work, emails may tend to get backed up which means I may not answer them immediately.

Our informal evaluation is at no charge, however if you feel you need a formal evaluation or appraisal for insurance, estate sales, donations for tax write offs, or to establish it as an antique, there is an administrative fee for this service.


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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)


Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.


44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009 - 2015 - Listed in AllExperts Top 50 Experts. All Expert Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service Area is Northern California (Fresno to Oregon and Western Nevada)

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