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# Locksmithing/Victor Safe

Question
Have my fathers old Victor safe, when I was younger I would open it all the time and stash stuff inside there for fun but only remember a two of the numbers and the opening sequence, what can I do to figure out the other two numbers. Is there a mathematical equation for such a thing?

thanks,
Matt

Matthew,

Why yes there is a mathematical progression.  Actually you can probably come up with a meathematical equation for just about everything.   If you have a 100 number dial with three wheels and a drive wheel, the number of possible combinations would be 100 x 100 x 100 (plus the drive wheel) = 1,000,000 possible combinations.  It is fairly easy to write a progression chart by using an excell spread sheet.   Though the problem is it would take you about 5.5 years to run through the progression.

If you have a 60 number dial, probably with two wheels and a drive wheel, the number of combinations would be 60 x 60 plus the drive wheel.

Dialing sequence would be as follows:   (three wheel lock)

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right to the fourth number - or until dial stops

(Two Wheel Lock)
3 times right to the first number,
2 times left to the second number,
1 time right to the third number - or until the dial stops

Note:   Many of the Victor safes do not have a handle.   during the last rotation, when the lock lever engages the drive wheel, continuing turning until the dial stops, then open door.
If the door has a handle, then you would turn the dial until it stops, then turn the handle to open.

Depending on "which" numbers you have, you would only need to look for the missing number, which could be up to 100 combinations.   If you don't know WHICH wheel the number goes to, then using the known numbers on the other wheels would give you six variations of 100 combinations.

Obviously all of this assumes that you actually have two correct numbers of the combination.   If not, then you will dialing 1,000,000 possibles!

Hope this helps,

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