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# Locksmithing/opening a montgomery ward 9041 safe

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Terry I have a Montgomery ward safe 9041 serial # 76-92263 that we  have had for over 20 years bought at a estate auction. we paid to have it opened and get the combination which we cant afford to do again but would like to use it again think I remember the combo as 15-25-35-40 but its not right is there anyone who could look up the combo for us or ? thankz john

John,

There are ONLY three reasons a safe lock will not open, they are, (in order):
1.  Incorrect dialing sequence, operator errors,
2.  Incorrect combination, wrong numbers,
3.  Mechanical problems.

first lets start with the dialing sequence - if YOU are making a dialing error, then it doesn't matter if you have the correct numbers or not, it won't open.   The dialing sequence for this lock is:

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right, slowly, until the dial stops (this may be your third number)

The "last" number in your combination really doesn't matter, as the dial comes to a full and complete stop - the number is simply a reference for YOU!   As in "if it passes this number, then I made a mistake and need to start over".

Left is counter clockwise, Right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark on the dial ring.   For instance, if your first number is 15 - it doesn't matter WHERE you start, simply start turning the dial counter clockwise (left), stopping the FOURTH time the number 15 arrives at the index.   You would then reverse direction, turning clockwise (right), stopping the THIRD time the number 25 arrives at the index mark.   Reverse direction, turning counter clockwise (left), stopping the SECOND time the number 35 arrives, then reverse direction, turning clockwise slowly until the dial stops (possibly 40), though I would expect it to be around 90.

If it still won't open, then you possibly don't have the correct combination.

You can contact Meilink to see if they have a record of the ORIGINAL combination, however if the combination has ever been changed or reset, there won't be a record of it.   based on the numbers YOU have provided, I don't believe that these are original numbers.
Meilink was acquired by FireKing International around 1995.   I believe they only maintain records for the past 10 years, but you can check if you feel like it, though be prepared to jump through some hoops as you have to prove ownership.   They have no idea who you are, and/or what your relationship to the safe is, and without proof, they won't even talk to you.

http://www.fireking.com/mk_home.html
1-800-528-9900    Customer / tech service

If Meilink can't or won't help you, and if you still can't get the combination that you have to work, then you will need to have a safe technician from a local safe company check the safe out.

Your only other option would be to use the dialing sequence above, and a spreadsheet with the 1,000,000 possible combinations that this lock has, and start test dialing them all.

Hope this helps,

Locksmithing

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#### Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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