Locksmithing/montgomery ward 9031


I have this safe that i have opened probably every week or every other week. I read your last post with someone who had the same model and I noticed they had 4 numbers in the combination. I believe i only have 3. maybe 4. let me explain. This is the method I have always used to opened it. turn counter clockwise several times to clear it and stop on 56. Turn clockwise past 56 twice and stop on 68. turn counter past 68 once and stop on 38. That is the end of the combination that was given to me when I bought it 2nd hand. but when stopped at 38 it wont open until I turn the dial counter clockwise to 81 (I think). I have always turned the handle and dial at the same time and it stops on its own on 81 i think and the safe opens. Now I cant get it open. I've tried and tried and tried with nothing. Any ideas short of cutting torches?


Sorry but they did not have four numbers in the combination.   What you are thinking is the "fourth" number is simply a reference number and NOT part of the combination.

The problem with combinations that are passed on, is that they are generally passed on the way the former owner understands the combination, and NOT necessarily the way it actually works.

The dialing sequence for your lock will be:

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right until the dial stops (possibly your fourth number).

Left is counter clockwise, Right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.   Forget PASSING a number and going to another number.   The ONLY thing you need to concentrate on is the number you are currently working on - PERIOD!!!!   Also forget turning the dial to CLEAR anything, this is simply something that people who don't understand the locks operation "THINK" that they have to do before dialing the combination.   FORGET IT!!!!   When the lock was locked, the combination was cleared.   No amount of additional dialing will clear it any more!!!!

For instance if your first number is 56, simply turn the dial counter clockwise (left), stopping on 56 the fourth time that it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.   THAT'S IT!   FORGET the rest of stuff!    KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!

then you will turn the dial clockwise (right), stopping the third time the second number (68) arrives at the index mark.
Then turn the dial counter clockwise, (left), stopping the second time the third number (38) arrives at the index mark.
finally turn the dial clockwise (right) until the dial stops (possibly around 81).    THEN turn the handle to open the safe.

Turning the handle and the dial at the same time doesn't help.

There are ONLY three reasons that a safe lock won't open, in order they are:
1.  Incorrect dialing sequence, OPERATOR ERRORS
2.  Incorrect combination, WRONG NUMBERS
3.  Mechanical problems.

If it still won't open, then you may need to have it checked out by a safe technician.

Hope this helps.


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