Locksmithing/old victor safe


Hi Andy,
This old victor safe with single dial and no lever. my grandfather had spray painted the numbers 24887 or 21887. how would I get a 3 number combination from those ? Ive tried 2-18-87, 21-8-87,2-18-87,also tried replacing the 1 with a 4. was wondering if there is a common pattern of one and two digit numbers or odd even pattern?
Thanks Bob

Hi Bob,

Sorry but there were no "common patterns".    I don't know that these are combinations or not, or if he wrote the numbers backwards.   If they are coded, then you would have to know the key to decode them correctly, other wise you are simply guessing.

You can write up a spread sheet to make a listing of all of the possible numbers, but it looks like you are already trying these, but I would also try:

21-88-7 or 24-88-7
78-81-2 or 78-84-2
7-88-42 or 7-88-12
87-18-2 or 87-84-2
7-88-12 or 7-88-42

see how I'm testing numbers backwards and number sets backwards???

There are only three reasons a safe lock won't open, in order they are:

1.  Incorrect dialing sequence, operator errors,
2.  Incorrect combination, wrong numbers,
3.  mechanical problems.

At this point, I would have to go with #2.   You probably don't have the correct numbers.

If you can't come up with the correct combo, then you will need a safe tech from a local safe company to open it for you.

hope this helps,


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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 40 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of two Tilton & McFarland safes from the 1860's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.


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