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Hello Andy. I've read some of the Q & A's here and you seem to be very knowledgeable. Thank you for your help.

I have a small safe: 13" x 13" by about 14 1/2" deep.
It's made of cast iron and has a 3" combination lock (I have the combination).
There are cast iron rollers on the four legs.
Serial Number: 4Y243723
S.M.N.A Rating 1 Hr

Wondering if you can tell us an approximate value of this item. Is it collectable? Do you have any idea when it was made and what it sold for?

We own a small resale shop in Central Wisconsin and we would like to have an idea of what a fair price would be for this item.

Thanks for your help!
Kelly Nickl

Hi Kelly,

Ok, let me go through items one at a time so I don't miss anything:

1.  Yes it is a small container (LOL).
2.  No, it is not made of cast iron.   This container is basically termed "bent Steel".   Sheet steel is heated and then pressed into its shape.   Corners are spot welded to hold it together.
3.  The rollers may be of cast iron, but most like this are.
4.  Safe Manufacturers National Association (SMNA) ratings.
    a.  Specification F2-ND:    this specification indicates that this is a "Fire insulated Container" - NOT a safe.    Having a combination lock (dial) on the container does NOT make it a safe.
    b.  The "Y" in the label serial number (this is NOT a safe serial number) indicates that the container originally sold for more than $75.
    c.  Fire classification D:  this is a one hour rating.   Safe classifications would have been "A - B or C", indicating a 4 hr, 2 hr, or 1 hr rating.

Safe manufacturer:    This container appears to be possibly a Diebold, York or Herring-Hall-Marvin.   Late 1950's.    As Diebold basically owned all three companies, many of the containers were relatively similar.

Basic values:
fire resistance:     $0    This container does not meet any current standards for fire resistance.
Burglary:          $0    This container has no burglary resistance.
Resale:          $0    It has no commercial or retail value, as it is obsolete and out of date.    It should not be used for ANY cash, jewelry or valuable documents.
Antique:          $0    Sorry, not over 100 years old.
Collectible:         $0    While this is over 50 years old, it is not considered collectible.

While it has no value under any of the above categories, this doesn't mean that it is "worthless".   Similar size NEW safes, which offer better fire resistance go from about $250 to $350, so as a used container you can probably ask $50 to $100 but be prepared for people to offer you lower amounts.    Somewhere between your high asking price and their low offering prices, there may be a comfortable middle value that both of you can live with.   If you ask TOO much for it, most people will simply "walk on by", and you won't get any offers.

Hope this answers most of your questions.  


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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)


Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.


44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

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