Locksmithing/Diebold and LaGard

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Hello, Can someone tell me as to why some LaGard dial combination locks say Diebold on the back.  Is this two different companies? Is LaGard the name of a company as well as Diebold? Can someone clear this up for me?

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Hi Dave,

Great question & simple answer.

Diebold AND LaGard are two separate AND independent companies, though LaGard is currently owned by Kaba-Mas.    Other than possible contracts, there is no relationship between the two companies.

The reason is quite simple.   Often times manufacturers either don't (or no longer) make a component or product.   This doesn't mean that they don't want to still use the item in the bigger scheme of things, but they "SUB" out items to be made, to their specifications, by other venders.

Diebold is primarily an END ITEM manufacturer - building safes, vault doors, ATM's, etc., while LaGard is primarily (ONLY) a lock manufacturer.    The Kaba group is one of the worlds largest lock manufacturers with divisions in Europe, Canada and the US.   Over the last 20+ years they have been buying up many of the lock manufacturers.    They didn't do it to get rid of the competition, as much as to insure continued product availability and quality.    Many of the companies which they acquired were smaller companies and in many cases possibly wouldn't have been around many more years.

LaGard has manufactured lock components for Diebold, Vindicator, Kaba and numerous other manufacturers - though in many of these cases the name on the case is that of the customer they are building the lock specifically for.

Note:   While LaGard may have similar locks available with their logo, the locks made for specific customers, may have some proprietary features which are not found on normal LaGard locks, so it does pay to take a really close look at the lock you are replacing to determine a suitable lock for that application.

While I am an authorized OEM vendor for both LaGard and Diebold, I also represent & install most of the other major brands of locks as well.    I am not tied to any one manufacturer or product line.    My ONLY biases concerning recommending one lock over another would be based on product quality and NOT any manufacturer loyalty.

Hope this clears it up somewhat.

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

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SafeCrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association (SAVTA)

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Education/Credentials
Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009 - 2015 - Listed in AllExperts Top 50 Experts. All Expert Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service Area is Northern California (Fresno to Oregon and Western Nevada)

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