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I was given this safe that had been sitting around a shop for 40 years or so no one knows the combination. I am wondering what the sequence is for the safe. Also say if its 4L3R2L1R, i turn left four times to the number and i am turning 3 to the right for the second do i pass the first number 3 times then go to the number or pass it twice and go to the second number. I am trying to manipulate the lock. It has one handle which is the wheel as well,  on the handle is the Number 136426

Hi Joe,

Without seeing your safe, I'm going to have to make certain assumptions based on the serial number you've given me.    Victor made their own locks up until shortly after 1920 when they were acquired by the Safe Cabinet Company.

They had both two and three wheel locks, though the dialing sequence was pretty much the same.

I checked two safes out that were pretty close serial numbers to use as a reference.   137172 and 148040.   Both are four wheel locks with 100 number dials.

The correct dialing sequence is:

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right until the dial stops (may be your last number - though this is ONLY a reference number and not actually part of the combination)

Note:  Left is counter clockwise, Right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the INDIVIDUAL number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.   After you have dialed a number - FORGET IT!   It is no longer of consideration.

For instance if your first number is 50, you will turn the dial counter clockwise - left, stopping the 4th time the number 50 arrives.   If your second number is 25, you would then turn the dial clockwise - right, stopping the 3rd time the number 25 arrives at the index mark..

As the lock also retracts the door bolts during the unlocking procedure, there is no separate handle.   When the lock lever engages the wheel pack, turn it clockwise until it has fully retracted the door bolts and the door opens.

While this lock is limited to the about 6600 actual combinations that can be set on it, from outside the safe, it would be very difficult to figure out the spacing and possibilities.   This means that using the dial as your reference point basically gives you 1,000,000 possibilities.

Good luck with your endeavors.    Hope you don't give up on it, but if you can't get it open, then my next recommendation would be to have you contact a local safe company to have their safe technician open it up.  


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