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What could you tell me about the differences in construction of the old C17 floor safe and the newest rendition, the B17?

Am I right in my guess the C series uses a thicker body?

Hi Maurice,

I'm not sure where you came up with the "B17" as a "newest rendition" of the C17.    I have no idea where you got this designation as it isn't an AMSEC or STAR model number.

The ONLY "B" doors that AMSEC or STAR made were square or rectangular, plate doors, NOT round doors.

The Round doors were the "C" series and the "E" series doors.    There have been variations of both of these doors as locks changed and/or progressed.   There are currently NO "E" doors being made.    The only current door is the "C" lift out door, part number M011802.

The "C" series doors were basically a "C" rating and the "E" series doors were the "UL  TL-15" burglary resistive rating.

As far as "construction" of the doors, just like anything else, as the design and the locks progressed over the years, there were changes to the door design, however, all of them performed exactly the same function.

The "B" series were square/rectangle doors.    The B-1800 series were 1/2" plate doors, and the Super Brute B-1800 series used a 3/4" plate door.

But there is no "B17 series round door.


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