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Dear Mr. Andreasen,

I'm an employee in the legal department at Technicolor in Indianapolis, Indiana.  We were recently on a record retention/record destruction mission of 4 file rooms.  One file room contained a fire proof 4-drawer brown cabinet.  As you've noted in a previous response, the distributor is East Safe and Equipment Company of Philadelphia, PA.  It has a tumbler lock located on the top drawer to the left, which was manufactured by Sargent & Greenleaf, Inc. of Rochester, NY.  It also has a key lock, manufactured by Yale, on top drawer lower right.  There is a tag at the top states it is "Victor Fire Master Certified."

Other identification markings are as follows:

Safe Manufacturers National Association Specification for Fire-Insulated Container

SPEC F2 - ND
S.M.N.A. RATING 1 HR.
EXPOSURE-CAT. NO. 7410
4Y265682

This company is a hybrid or RCA and Thomson.  We are retaining a locksmith to gain entry into this cabinet.  I expect to find executed legal contracts from very long ago.

Can you tell me anything further about this particular fire proof cabinet?  Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

John Knutson

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Hi John,

I would recommend that you use a safe technician rather than a locksmith - so hopefully the one you have retained has some safe experience.

As the cabinet has a "Safe Manufacturers National Association" (SMNA) label, it would have been built prior to about 1962.

The parent company for Victor was Remington-Rand and later Sperry-Rand.   At least up to 1955, they were known to use Asbestos as an insulation material, however I have no knowledge of them continuing this after 1955.

The specification "F2-ND" indicates that this unit was considered a fire insulated record container.

Classification "D" would indicate that it had 1 our of fire resistance (NOT fire proof).

Containers OVER 50 years old, which would include this one, do NOT meet any current standards and should not be used for overnight storage of and valuable or hard to replace documents.


Hope this helps, I'm not sure what other info you were looking for concerning this container?

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

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SafeCrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association (SAVTA)

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009 - 2015 - Listed in AllExperts Top 50 Experts. All Expert Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service Area is Northern California (Fresno to Oregon and Western Nevada)

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