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# Locksmithing/Mosler 1800s 6-digit combination safe

Question
I have the subject safe and the 6-digit combination but I can't remember the rotation pattern.  The combination is 30-30-40-60-0-9.  I haven't opened the safe in more than 10 years, but it has been opened by another since then.  I just remember that I started out clockwise and when I got to the zero I went counterclockwise to 9.  Can you help?  Many thanks.

Renee

Hi Renee,

Mosler never made a "6" digit combination lock.

There are ONLY three reasons that a safe lock won't open - in order, they are:

1.   Incorrect dialing sequence, operator errors,
2.   Incorrect combination, Wrong numbers,
3.   Mechanical problems.

When I see a combination written with the instructions - similar to how you have presented them, either they were originally given to you incorrectly, or you are remembering incorrectly.

Many times combinations are passed along the way the previous owner understands them, and NOT necessarily the way the lock actually works.   Then the new owner applies the combination the way that THEY understand what was presented to them - again, NOT necessarily the way that the lock works.   As long as the same mistakes are presented to the lock, it may open, but as soon as you add in something else, it no longer functions.

Mosler used TWO basic type four wheel locks on the majority of their containers, so the dialing sequence will EITHER be LRLRL or RLRLR - ONLY!   Dialed as follows:

5 times left to the first number,
4 times right to the second number,
3 times left to the third number,
2 times right to the fourth number,
1 time left until the dial stops  (if you are using a number here, it is simply for reference and is NOT part of the actual combination)

Note:   left is counter clockwise, right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.   If the combination doesn't work or the dial doesn't stop, try reversing the directions above - or - RLRLR vs LRLRL.

Sometimes owners do not want to dial all of the revolutions listed above, so two or more wheels may be set on the same number.   You don't have to dial them separately, you dial them together as:

5 times right to the first number,
3 times left to the second number,
2 times right to the third number,
1 time right until the dial stops.

Based on the information that you have provide, my first recommendation would be to have you test out the combination as follows:

5 times LEFT to the first number, 30
3 times RIGHT to the second number, 40
2 times LEFT to the third number, 60
1 time RIGHT until the dial stops - should be around 9.

If it still doesn't work, then I would recommend that you have it checked out by a local safe technician to run your numbers through some test combinations to see if they can't get it open.

If the numbers STILL don't work, then they may not be correct, and/or you may have a mechanical problem which keeps your lock from operating correctly.   May be a simple service issue.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but at this point, it needs to be a "hands on" service!

Locksmithing

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