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I have this safe (#526). It has a S&G dial with no change mark. The back of th elock has been removed and the wheel pack is gone. All that is left is the drive cam and the lever and the bolt.  I would like to know how to get a replacement lock.  Not sure how to identify what model S&G I need.

Any help would be appreciated,  Tom

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Hi Tom,

The manufacturer of the safe was probably the Safe Cabinet Company of Marietta, OH., prior to 1926.

The dial is not the original one, it has been replaced at some point.   The original dial was a removable, 50 number dial.   

The lock is possibly an S&G C85 series lock, with Brass case, three "pin-hole" change wheels.   (this is why there is no second index mark on the dial ring.   Changing indices are not required for any hand change type lock, which would include pin-hole type.

The lock is also NOT an "E-lock", which would indicate an "Electronic Lock".    I don't know where you came up that one.

You are probably not going to find parts, and it may be difficult to find a complete replacement lock unless you find a similar safe to use for "donor parts".

I won't be in the office until next Monday, but you can send an email directly to me to remind me to look through my old parts to see if I have one of these old locks available.

Send the email and photos to me at:    andy@securitysafeusa.com

Hope this helps,  

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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