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Shaw Walker Safe
Shaw Walker Safe  

Shaw-Walker sort of
Shaw-Walker sort of  
Hi Andy!
Thank you so much for offering your services. I had a house fire in June 2015 and am still in the midst of my "loss list" - I had a Shaw Walker floor safe (51"H X 29"D X 25.5" W) on wheels that were not
easily visible.  This safe was a gift and I need to establish a value for my claim.  Unfortunately the only photo(s) I have are post fire - I wish I had more information, but I think you are the guy that can give me the best answer.
The first photo is of the inside - where I had two water/fire safes -
The second just has the door of S-W safe in the background. I know its a long shot as I have so little information to give you, but ANY price range would be so appreciated.

Thank you so, so much!!
:) Kelly~~

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Hi Kelly,

Unfortunately I'm going to have some good news and some bad news for you.   I'm not sure how your insurance company will deal with it.

First - based on your photos - your Shaw Walker fire safe appears to be a late 1940's or 1950's version as such it isn't considered to provide current standards and has or had little value under the following categories:

Fire resistance:     $0    Doesn't meet current standards
Burglary:          $0    not a burglary resistive safe
Resale:          $0    has no commercial or retail value
antique/collectible: $0    basically considered "old" office equipment

So while it doesn't meet ANY of these categories as it is over 50 years old, hopefully it did provide some protection during your house fire.  

Replacement of your safe with a current model fire resistive safe would be around $2400.00

While there may be some used safes on the market available generally fire resistive only safes don't get resold very often and most of the ones for sale would be similar to yours or older.   These older used fire safes are usually available from about $200-$400 - again as they don't meet current standards for fire resistance they are generally used as simple general purpose security lockers.

Hopefully your insurance company will be liberal with their replacement costs or values, however if they came to me asking the same questions, I would give them the same answers - your safe basically doesn't meet ANY current standards and as such as no retail or resale market value.

Hope this gives you something that you can use.   If you have any further questions feel free to run them by me.  

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 42 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

Experience

44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes".

Organizations
SafeCrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association (SAVTA)

Publications
The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes AllExperts.com

Education/Credentials
Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

Awards and Honors
2009 - 2015 - Listed in AllExperts Top 50 Experts. All Expert Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

Past/Present Clients
US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service Area is Northern California (Fresno to Oregon and Western Nevada)

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