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I attached photos which will probably make this a whole lot easier.

I'm looking for a reasonable secure safe and am wondering about these two.

"I'm trying to find some information on two used, such as description of the materials, estimate the weight possibly the age range of build, comparison to newer products in terms of tampering protection and so forth. In general, is placing valuables in a new fire-resistant box inside a safe with lesser known fire protection an effective alternative to a new safe?

One of them is a Major Safe Co. safe. The dimensions are about 29" H x 25 1/2" W x 34" D. I have photos of the safe and what numbers the attached identification plates I have available are attached.

The other is a Diebold that is a heavy beast. It does not have throw bolts, but rather a stationary overlapping plate on the hinge side and the locking mechanism throws a metal plate mounted on the door behind the metal interior framing. It It is 29" high, 25 1/2" wide and 23" deep. I wish I could find the model number on it.

Both of them are really heavy but mainly I'm wondering about the effective security of either or which might be better than the other, or if they're both not worth bothering with in terms of being of some security value.

There are photos of both safes and hopefully enough ID plate numbers/descriptions to make the ID easier. I can't find anything specific on either of them.

Thanks very much for your opinions, I very much value your input!

Hi John,

While the Major is a "FIRE" resistive safe ONLY, the Diebold has the burglary protection.    However the Diebold does NOT meet any current standards for fire resistance.

While the Diebold does meet current standards for burglary, it is considered obsolete as few parts are still available for the container.    As long as you keep it serviced and operating correctly it will meet those standards.

If you are also looking for a fire resistive safe, I would recommend keep looking, or get a separate safe for fire only.

hope this helps,


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