Medieval History/phrase


caliban wrote at 2008-03-11 09:30:28
Bona na Croin

"Neither your collar nor crown Shall I wear ~ my nose not brown, Nor I some clown in your court, In chains brought ~ a wolf to town.

By no oath bound to your King, To my Gods alone I sing, Grey shadow hiding from sight To keep the rite from waning.

In red gold you dress these slaves, What throne can forget Nine Waves? In deep caves our flame I shield, Never to yield to such knaves.

Collars serve to reign dogs in, Quell their nerve with shades and sin. Wild wolf’s kin such bangles scorn, Free-born I stay, son of Fionn.

My brothers hunted, slain, skinned. Yet still my cries ride the wind, Numbers thinned, but still we wait, For your hate, we have not sinned.

Now the lone hunters take heed, Upon the Great Stag we feed, Blood for mead. His death our life, Ends this strife, stirs this dried seed.

The old packs come together, Ties that fear cannot sever, Endeavour in pride to stand In the Wolf Land, forever."

~this is the poem it came from, im not sure of the author but its meaning is defiance to the brittish rule in ireland.  

Brandon wrote at 2008-04-12 14:49:09
It does in fact mean "neither collar nor crown." The phrase comes from the turn of the 19th century and the Fenian movement in Ireland. A popular image associated with it is that of the Unconquered Wolf which is a wolf snapping down on the collar of slavery, bearing the sword of justice, and stomping down on the crown of the monarchy.

Alan wrote at 2009-04-21 17:09:05
Hi! I am of Irish descent and I grew up hearing the phrase "bona na croin" which I was always told translated to "neither collar nor crown."  There is a website with that name and perhaps they can help more.

john nelson wrote at 2014-11-02 06:58:46
I'm not certain ,but I think this poem was written by a Fenian prisoner in Kilmainham prison in 1866 or 67 , his name Was Patrick O'Leary , he rejected Christianity and adopted a pagan belief system , based on the old Gods of Ireland . He hated being named for a saint and was known as Pagan O'Leary he suffered inhumane treatment in prison , partly due to his politics , partly due to his religion . He is also said to be known as John Murphy , this is one of my favourite poems .

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