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QUESTION: Hello, I saw your response to a question about rat dominance.

My case is a little different. My mouse only about others when we are near the cage and lately he climbs into our hands too.
It is the smallest and youngest of all, but I have no problems socializing by the other rats.

Could you help me? I'm anxious: (

ANSWER: Hi Lays,

Can you write me a followup question with some more details, so that I can help you?

I do not understand your question.  What is wrong with your rat or mouse?  How old is he and his cage mates?  Is he anxious around other rats/mice, or around you?  Please explain what you mean and I'd be more than happy to help you solve your problem.  :)

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QUESTION: im so sorry, i dont speak english and i use google translate.

My newest mouse is presenting behavior of dominance over me and my husband and on the other rats when we are near the cage .
When we are away , he acts normally.

He climbs into our hands as if copulating and makes other rats when we got near the cage or when everyone is loose and come near me and my husband , it comes and goes in rats and then in our hands .

I tried to simulate my hand even if he does, but to no avail . He tests us because it spends many minutes stopped , looking at me and goes into some mouse moments later . I've been trying to do this three weeks but do not get good results .

At this time I separated from other mice , and no longer know what to do , so I ask for help . He's interfering with the relationship of his brother , who arrived with him at home, because away from other rats and us. Out of desperation and fear that he " ruin " the brother I separated . One of the oldest is submissive to him and the mouse was already dominant previously always fight with him, then the mouse " problem " is removed from him .

ANSWER: Hi Lays,

I have asked for a translator to help me get you a clear answer (very sorry for the delay!), so you won't have to rely on Google Translate. As soon as I can get the translation I will revise this answer and let you know.  If you have more questions or need clarification, please feel free to write me back in your language and she will help me understand you better.

As I understand you, your pet is harassing his cage mates when you or your husband are nearby, but plays well with them when left alone. Is this correct?

The answer to your question will be different if you have pet mice as opposed to pet rats. Mice are about the size of your palm or smaller. Male mice do best by themselves - sometimes they will get along with siblings, but if there is any sign of aggression or territorial behavior, it is best to separate them. Male mice who have been separated can not be safely returned to a cage with other males, or they may fight and it can become deadly very quickly.

Male rats are different, as they can get along, and can even be neutered! If you have rats (the size of your whole hand or larger), please let me know and I will ask other experts for the best way to handle his behavior. With rats, there is a chance he may be returned to his brother and friends with a little bit of help and patience.

Are you trying to say that he is friendly when you hold him, or that he is harassing you as well? If he is being aggressive toward you, there are several ways to help him feel more comfortable in your presence. First, make sure his cage is in a low-traffic area, like a bedroom, and not a hallway where people are frequently coming and going. Be sure he has a "hide" or a space where he can feel secure and alone, so that if he wants to get away from activity he can do so. Never disturb him when he is in his secure space. When you go to interact with him, be sure you do not smell like food or anything else that smells differently - he needs to get used to how you and your husband smell, and associate that with pleasant things. Each time you go to interact with him make it a happy experience and provide him with a treat afterwards. Never pick him up when he is frightened or agitated. If he nips at you or behaves defensively, calmly remove your hand, give him a treat, and leave him alone for a little while. You can do this a few times a day when he is awake until he becomes used to you - this may take a little while, so have patience.

You did the right thing by removing him for now. If he is dangerous to the other mice/rats, then it is best not to take any chances.

If I have misunderstood anything or if you have any other questions, please let me know. Again, you can write me in your normal language and I can get it translated personally so that we can better understand each other.

Good luck!
-Tam

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QUESTION: Não se chateie pelo atraso na resposta, compreendo que possa não ter visto que eu havia respondido novamente. :)

Eu tenho ratos, eles são maiores que as minhas mãos. Camudongos são bastante diferentes, eu acho!

É isso mesmo, longe de nós ele é tranquilo com os companheiros de gaiola.
Parece ter ciúme ou medo, pois se dermos atenção para os outros ratos ele sobe nos ratos e depois sobe em nossas mãos.
Eu coloquei todos juntos novamente e o comportamento aparece com menos frequência, mas repentinamente. Não consigo entender o que faz com que ele tenha este comportamento.

A gaiola fica na sala, só tem movimentação minha e do meu marido. Eventualmente entra a faxineira mas ela tem orientações para não mexer com os ratos e nem alimentá-los.

(segui sua r]orientação e estou respondendo em português, sou brasileira :D )

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Oi Lays,

Eu acho que você está certa. Parece que ele está nervoso ou amedrontado e isso faz com que ele mude de comportamento quando você está por perto. É muito importante distinguir entre a dominância normal e sem perigo e um comportamento agressivo que pode colocar os outros ratos e você em perigo de serem machucados.
Comportamento normal de dominância faz parte da personalidade de um rato e acontece durante brincadeiras assim como para determinar a orden de dominância dentro da gaiola. Isto inclui caminhar por cima dos outros ratos, fazer xixi, fixar os olhos antes de lutar, andar de lado em direcao aos outros ratos, chutar ou dar cambalhotas, boxear, lutar ou chiar, limpar-se enquanto outro rato está preso, e montar. Todas essas coisas são normais e não machucarão os outros ratos. Os ratos líderes na gaiola fazem estas coisas para recordar aos outros quem é que manda, bem como para iniciar brincadeiras.

Um rato nervoso e agressivo, devido a medo ou estresse, demonstra comportamentos diferentes que são sinais de que ele precisa ser removido da companhia dos outros ratos e ser acalmado. Esses comportamentos são:  o ranger de dentes, chiar, bater com a cauda como se estivesse muito aborrecido, mostrar os dentes ou avançar e morder, ficar com os pelos eriçados, arquear as costas (como um gato nervoso), e brigas barulhentas que incluem gritos, mordidas, rolar por todo lado como uma bolinha e ferimentos.Tudo isto é muito diferente de sinais normais de dominância e significa que o rato está muito estressado, intimidado e nervoso.

Agora que já sabemos a diferença entre uma dominância normal e comportamentos perigosos, podemos começar a entender o que estaráa causando o comportamento dele. Se ele estiver demonstrando uma dominância normal, qual não é perigosa para os outros ratos, você nao precisará se preocupar – assim é como ele é e os outros ratos esperam isso dele. Se o comportamento for do tipo mais agressivo, é importante isolá-lo dos outros ratos até que seu comportamento mude. Os outros ratos podem não causar seu comportamento estranho (já que ele atua normalmente com os outros quando você não esta por perto), mas os outros podem estar acrescentando estresses a ele, e dessa forma quando ele fica nervoso ele se comporta mal com os otros. Outra coisa que você poderia fazer é praticar encontros amigáveis – faça de todas as interaçoẽs com ele algo agradável. Tente se aproximar dele quando ele estiver acordado, como já falamos antes, e ofereça um petisco ou um brinquedo depois de cada visita. Mantanha o tempo de diversão curto e agradável permitindo que ele demosntre quando estiver estressado e precise que a visita termine. Isto é chamado de “treinamento de confiança” e muitos websites de ratos podem explicar omo se faz isto. Por favor me avise se você quiser que eu te indique alguns websites que eu estarei feliz em compartilhá-los com você.

Uma outra coisa que você poderia tentar é a castração, caso ele ainda não o tenha sido. Ainda que os ratos atinjam a idade adulta muito rapidamente, seus hormônios de adultos não se nivelam com a mesma rapidez. Isto geralmente ocorre muitos meses depois. Apartir deste ponto eles começam a brigar mais, discutir mais com os outros machos, e ficar mais tensos e facilmente estressados. A castração pode ser feita pelo seu veterinário e produz uma diferença incrivel no comportamento em poucas semanas do procedimento. Um rato estressado, agressivo pode muito facilmente tornar-se calmo, agradável, amigável e descontraido, simplesmente com uma castraçao!

Espero que isto te ajude, do contrário me avise que eu estarei feliz em consultar outras pessoas para melhor responder tua pergunta.


-Tam

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