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Scott wrote at 2006-07-02 11:21:43
I distinctly remember the Moody Blues / Patrick Moraz suit being on Court TV.

John W. Larson wrote at 2006-08-19 16:51:34
Yes, The Moody Blues were on Court TV in January of 1993.   I saw it myself.   I wish I had a tape of it.   

They were being sued by Patrick Moraz for 4 million dollars for firing him during the making of Keys of the Kingdom.   He claimed he was a "member" of the band.   Apparently, he wasn't.   Unbeknownest to fans, including myself, for every album he did with them, and tour, he was paid a flat fee (large, but flat).

All Moraz got out of the proceedings was around $90,000 in back pay due to accounting slow ups.

Hope this answers the debate.


keysman111 wrote at 2006-08-24 19:43:01
This answer is incorrect.

The Moodies did, in fact, appear on the fledgling Court TV network in late 1990 when they were locked in a legal struggle with ex-keyboardist Patrick Moraz.

It should be noted that Court TV is not the same as "The Peoples Court" or "Judge Judy" where litigants have their differences settled by TV "Judges". Rather, it is a network that shows live footage of in-court litigation in a news format (in much the same way that CSPAN shows political procedings).  

Moodylobo wrote at 2006-08-29 04:40:03
Hi Linda,

Yes, actually, the Moodies did agree to allow the suit filed by Patrick Moraz against the band to be covered by Court TV.  This was back in the early 1990's, and came just as "Keys of the Kingdom" was being prepped for release.

I don't have all the ugly details, but the gist of the suit was that Patrick claimed that he was forced out of the band and as a result, stripped of royalties and other payments he was entitled to.  The band's claim was that as the only contract player in the group, he was a hired hand and was not, therefore, an "official" member of the Moody Blues and had broken that contract when he left the band to go pursue his own solo efforts.  

He was asking for some ridiculous multi-million-dollar settlement, and in the end, though the jury bought his tale of woe, they only awarded him a tiny fraction of what he'd asked for.

Hope that helps!

Tracy Wolf

philinboone wrote at 2006-12-14 20:04:14
Sorry, but you are wrong.  The Moodies were sued by Patrick Moraz over his dispute that he was a Moodie also, but the guys thought of him as a keyboard player only.  I remember seeing Justin on the witness stand.  This would of had been in the mid-90's

Jim wrote at 2007-03-12 15:38:06
They absolutely were on Court TV, when Patrick Moaraz sued them in the early 90's.  I have some of it on video tape.  It wasn't pretty.

Bluesblender wrote at 2007-04-15 00:05:36
Actually, I remember watching the Patrick Moraz lawsuit!  Very interesting trial.

John W. Larson wrote at 2007-09-04 17:33:17
YES, the Moodies were once on Court TV in January of 1993.   Fellow "member" Patrick Moraz sued them over royolties he felt he was deserved after they fired him in 1991, during the making of Keys of the Kingdom.

Moraz had moved to California and as far as the other four guys were concerned; he was no longer available.   And, they were paying him per album.   He was not getting a percentage of the total sales as Edge, Hayward, Lodge & Thomas were.  

Therefore, Moraz only obtained about 90,000 some dollars in the suit and not the 4 million plus he was seeking.

John W. Larson

Hoffman Estates, IL

Scott Larson wrote at 2007-09-13 23:13:28
Additionally Moraz claimed that the "orchestral" ending of "Talking Out of Turn" was entirely his creation and he was shocked to hear it on "Long Distance Voyager" without him being credited for it.  This seemed ridiculous because it's simply the melody of the song which he did not write played by Moraz on his synthesizers. He did not add anything to the song unlike Peter Knight who did receive writing credits for his major work with their songs in the orchestra passages on "Days of Future Passed".

Overall Moraz came across as acting incredibly naive for someone who had been in the music business as long as he had. His child-like shock at what had happened seemed very rehearsed.

Moodygal wrote at 2009-03-18 21:23:05
When Patrick Moraz sued the Moody Blues after the group informed him they no longer needed his services.  The trial was held in Los Angeles California and was filmed by Court TV.  It was broadcast with the testimony of Patrick Moraz, Justin Hayward,  John Lodge, Ray Thomas and Graeme Edge televised.  There are bootleg copies of the Court TV coverage circulating among Moody Blues Fans.

astorian wrote at 2009-03-23 21:59:46
Years back, I DID see the Moody Blues on Court TV. I remember seeing drummer Graeme Edge testify.

The hearing had to do with a lawsuit filed by keyboard player Patrick Moraz. When he split with the Moody Blues, the band tried to argue that Moraz was only a hired musician, and NOT an official member of the group.

Obviously, that makes a huge difference in terms of royalties that would be due to Moraz in the future. If he was just a session man, he would not be entitled to royalties from future sales of "Long Distance Voyager" or "The Other Side of Life."

I don't know what the final verdict was, or if there was ever a settlement reached. But it's true, that lawsuit DID end up on Court TV.

rainbow glo wrote at 2009-05-10 16:37:53
Yes, the Moodies were indeed on CourtTV, following Patrick's exit in 1991, and the band were sued for breech of contract by Patrick Moraz who did win his case but only got a small compensation for it.

Aristotled wrote at 2010-07-27 03:52:12
Moraz was the most talented member of the band. His orchestral work MADE the moodies who they were in this era and made them a ton of cash. The moodies screwed Moraz royally. Lesson learned. Patrick, in future, deal with honest, respectible people. Moodies would be dead if not for the talents of ex Yes man Moraz. In fact, Yes would be dead if not for him as well. And THAT, my esteemed collegues, is the final word on this subject! You are not permitted to digress by adding to this further.  

Mikey wrote at 2010-08-29 03:10:47
I remember the telecast of Moraz' suit very well.  While Justin, John, Graeme & Ray had to testify that Patrik "didn't sound good anymore", the real reason came out in the course of the trial:  In some keyboard magazine, Patrick referred to the Moodys as his "day job".  With that attitude, they decided they didn't need him around anymore.

lurkerdeluxe wrote at 2012-01-11 22:52:35
what a fascinating string of commentary! Patrick was by contract a side musician, not a stockholder in the band (though he was offered stock in 1983 and declined it). He wasn't available to record, so they fired him and got someone else. He was only whining around because he didn't get cut in on the Red Rocks pie. Bummer for him. Before you start kissing Patrick's ring, find a copy of Keyboard magazine, dated May 1991..... he was making fun of the Moodies. Can't imagine why they didn't want him around any more. Duh. The funny thing is they offered a settlement before the hearing started, and he turned it down. If he had accepted it, he would have made more money out of it all, and the band could have toured (they had to cancel their Australian tour to sit in on this hearing).... it was a spiteful thing on Patrick's part IMHO. The video should be available from Court TV for a fee, if you can find their contact.  

zwolf wrote at 2013-04-27 00:07:53
Actually the band was sued by Patrick Moraz and it was on court tv. I recorded the proceedings when this was on court tv.

I also looked it up on the internet so you will find it.

Tamarka wrote at 2013-12-05 10:13:34
I have a video tape of the entire trial of Patrick against the Moody Blues.  Before the trial they offered him a half million dollars to stop the trial.  He "won" but only got 70,000 as I recall after lawyer fees etc (at least that's what he told me later).  All the Moodies testified and from the information I know of the Moodies they told the truth.  Patrick on the other hand did not.  He told several lies and I have the proof.  He was working on a solo thing and told me and a few other Moodies fans all about it, even asked us to take notes.  I take copious notes.  If he had asked the Moodies to be a part of the event I would have written it down being the huge Moodies fan that I am.  On the stand he said that even from the beginning he had wanted the Moodies as part of it.  Since he was telling us all about it before he presented it to to the Swiss people that was a lie.  He never wanted the Moodies as part of it.  One of the fans at the table even asked and he said it would be nice but the music really wouldn't be their thing.  I wish I could have gotten my notes to the band before the trial.  They might not have "lost", though I think they came out on top.  I haven't watched the tape in awhile and I have a friend turning into a DVD for me.  If anything I've said here is refuted by a re-watching of it I will be sure to retract this post.

Jackie wrote at 2016-03-29 04:26:17
Yes, the Moodies were, indeed, on Court TV. The lawsuit was Moraz vs. The Moody Blues. Moraz felt that he was made a full member of the band. The Moodies said no.  

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