Orthodox Judaism/What does Genesis 1:26 say in Hebrew?
Rob wrote at 2009-04-30 00:01:48
I would like to add to our Jewish brothers and sister, that not all christians believe in the dogma of the trinity, in fact we Oneness Pentecostals are seperate from the rest of christianity in that we don't agree with the trinity. I heard a Jewish Scholar say that it has to do with the translation from the original text to english or other languages, that the word used for God in the text mean "God of the Nations" which in turn make the whole sentence plural in English.
Chris Wilson wrote at 2009-09-21 20:46:48
With all due respect to the quotes of my fellow Christians and the Jewish commentators, I add the following thoughts. Where the word Elohiym is used it must be observed that plural nouns in Hebrew are not always inicative of quantity but very often refer to quality. The same can be said of pronouns. When that is the intent, a single verb is used which is the case here.
"No indication of any plurality in the divine nature can be inferred from the fact that the word is plural" Spiros Zodhiates, Lexical Aids to the Old Testament." The word is used in the qualitative sense to indicate the majesty of the Creator not the quantitative sense to suggest plurality; and that includes the inclusion of angels.
The words "image" from the Hebrew "tselem" should be understood in the sense of "governor" or "ambassador" a representative. Man was to "rule" as governor over the balance of the created order upon the earth. This is a reference to what "man" (without the definite article, meaning mankind) was to do.
The word "likeness" from "demuth" is shadow or image and more specifically refers to man's personal constitution; what, rather "Who", he is like. Although housed in a physical body man was created as a "spirit being". And in that sense only can it be said that man is "like" his Creator.
Verse 27 disallows for the inclusion of angels as man was created by Elohiym, "in HIS OWN image". To my mind this excludes angels. I recommend the articles by Jeff A. Benner at ancient-hebrew.org/26_nouns.html for further review.
Blessings, pastor Chris Wilson
Chris wrote at 2009-11-23 05:13:45
Jesus Cristos, just answer the question and don't profusely weigh in with your dogmatic beliefs.
I was wondering about the translations of the word subdue or dominion, what the actual hebrew word meant in context.
I think this and the following verses are a slam dunk for veganism.
frederick wrote at 2010-02-23 03:20:03
dos the word for man denote a individual man or mankind in general in genesis 1-26??, so was mankind in image of Elohim& his angels??, by your comment on this plural use of this verse, for the plural use of "our image" denotes ELOHIM& ANGELS for man or mankind's image& man would be a spirit being like elohim& angels, not a creature of flesh& bone.
frederick wrote at 2010-10-01 09:19:12
i am not of the jewish faith& respect the torah& new testament; I also had this difficulty with genesis 1-26. is it the angels of his court or christ the messiah. both can be made for this verse.
Firstly when man was created he was told to be fruitful& multiply, therefore man has to be also flesh to do that& have a mate. cherubims are not of the flesh& do not multiply, they are spiritual beings you agree??, so who was made flesh, compare gospel of john chapter 1-14
Bill wrote at 2011-08-12 07:27:31
you should be ashamed of yourself you misquoted Keil and Delitzsch You hid the truth you cut out the middle of their commentary to make it say what you wanted to you lied to this man! Are that afraid of the truth? then you mask your involvement by blaming it on Tovia Singer. Wht is so ironic is that the Rabbis of ישוע time did the same thing they never made an authoritative comment on their own but always quoted others! ישוע had the authority to expound on His word!
Here is the commentary in full....
The plural “We” was regarded by the fathers and earlier theologians almost unanimously as indicative of the Trinity: modern commentators, on the contrary, regard it either as pluralis majestatis; or as an address by God to Himself, the subject and object being identical; or as communicative, an address to the spirits or angels who stand around the Deity and constitute His council. The last is Philo’s explanation: diale÷getai oJ tw◊n o¢lwn path
tai√ß e˚autouv duna¿mesin (duna¿meiß = angels). But although such passages as 1 Kings 22:19ff., Ps. 89:8, and Dan. 10, show that God, as King and Judge of the world, is surrounded by heavenly hosts, who stand around His throne and execute His commands, the last interpretation founders upon this rock: either it assumes without sufficient scriptural authority, and in fact in opposition to such distinct passages as Gen. 2:7, 22, Isa. 40:13 seq., 44:24, that the spirits took part in the creation of man; or it reduces the plural to an empty phrase, inasmuch as God is made to summon the angels to cooperate in the creation of man, and then, instead of employing them, is represented as carrying out the work alone. Moreover, this view is irreconcilable with the words “in our image, after our likeness;” since man was created in the image of God alone (v. 27, Gen. 5:1), and not in the image of either the angels, or God and the angels. A likeness to the angels cannot be inferred from Heb. 2:7, or from Luke 20:36. Just as little ground is there for regarding the plural here and in other passages (Gen. 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8; 41:22) as reflective, an appeal to self; since the singular is employed in such cases as these, even where God Himself is preparing for any particular work (cf. 2:18; Ps. 12:5; Isa. 33:10).
Pay attention to this part!
No other explanation is left, therefore, than to regard it as pluralis majestatis, —an interpretation which comprehends in its deepest and most intensive form (God speaking of Himself and with Himself in the plural number, not reverentiae causa, but with reference to the fullness of the divine powers and essences which He possesses) the truth that lies at the foundation of the trinitarian view, viz., that the potencies concentrated in the absolute Divine Being are something more than powers and attributes of God; that they are hypostases, which in the further course of the revelation of God in His kingdom appeared with more and more distinctness as persons of the Divine Being.
Keil and Delitzsch
cq wrote at 2012-01-25 05:20:47
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:" Deuteronomy 6:4.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness," Genesis 1:26.
When God said, "Let us," it is not talking about angels or the trinity. The word "us” is plural, but the expression is made plain in the meaning of "God". The word God is translated from Elohiym, "el" meaning God, and "hiym" meaning, "in whom there are many." This term does not imply plural Gods, but one God, from whom many will come. It is foreshadow of what was to come. Please note in Genesis 1:27 says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Please recall God does not create Adam till Genesis 2:7 and Eve till Genesis 2:22. Therefore Gen 1:26-17 would have to be in reference to foreshadow. 1 John 3:2 says, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."
On the topic of translations to use, The King James Version is the best. It is a direct translation from the original text, with the exception to the words written in italics. The words in italics were put in a different print from the main context, to show they were added by the translators to make the meaning more clear. A good rule to follow concerning words in italics is: If the added word does not change the meaning of the verse, accept it, but if the word or words added change the meaning, leave them out. In other words any verse should mean the same, with or without the italics.
You can achieve getting a deeper understanding by using good dictionary with original meanings. I have one that has a complete Hebrew and Greek-English Dictionaries.
JKC wrote at 2012-05-23 22:37:46
I think you are out of order in terms of God being soverign and does not consult His court of elders. That assertion limits God. I realised how unsuccesful you have tried to refute and unseat the trinitarian doctrine because you cannot fathom it in its spiritual essence. By doing so you have erred theologically simply because God does not consult the created things. The bible cleary states that God created all things without any consultation from outside body that will therefore limit His power, sovereignty and capabilities. When God said let's create man in our own image He was debating and consulting Himself rather than His inner court members. That theology is of the devil and should be stopped immediately. Is blasphemy against the all knowing all seeing and evere present God who exist by Himself and for Himself. He is the uncaused causer and never consulted anyone but Himself in creating all things and more especially His crowned jewel MAN.
Long wrote at 2012-10-18 08:12:26
There are many verses in both old and new testaments that support trinity. Not only gen. 1:26 or the next one after the fall. The word God itself is plural in Hebrew. Isaiah 6:8 tells us that God is bot plural and singular. " God said, "whom will I send, and who will go for us. This text convey that there is one God in three persons.
1john 5q:7 "there are three that bear witnesses in heaven, the Father,The Word and the Holy Ghost." And these three are one. Theses three persons of the Godhead were present during Jesus' baptism. Before Jesus' ascension, he told his followers to go to all the world and make disciples baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
Wendy wrote at 2012-11-01 14:04:15
God bless you. The answer of the 'us' and 'our' lies simply in the next verse. God has revealed this truth to us now in these last days as there is a time for everything and a season for every activity under heaven |Ecc 3:1|
Verse 1:27 reads: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
So how many images does God have? Two. Male and Female. Man is made in the male image of God and woman is made in the female image of God. We know the male image of God and we call him Heavenly Father. So we now know the female image of God and we call her Heavenly Mother. In the last days it is the Spirit and the Bride who give us the water of life. Rev 22:17. Sometimes the church is known as the bride. But in
Rev , this bride gives the water of life alongside the Spirit who is our Father according to the trinity. Only God can give the water of life which is eternal life. No church or saint can give us eternal life. So WHO is this bride?
Rev 21:9-10 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me,"Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the lamb. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
The bride here is the wife of the Lamb. The Lamb we know as Jesus Christ. But when this prophecy was written Jesus had already ascended. We also know that He didn't have a bride at His first coming. This prophecy is about His second coming and He appears with His bride, Jerusalem , who comes down out of heaven. About the heavenly Jerusalem another verse confirming her identity.
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our MOTHER.
So in retrospect: The Bride who gives the water of life alongside the Spirit is the wife of the Lamb, who is Heavenly Jerusalem , OUR mother. So who does OUR refer to?
Galatians 4:28 Now you brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 4:31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
The OUR is the children of promise , us, the saints who believe in Heavenly Mother.
Only those who accept and believe in Heavenly Mother can be the children of promise. So what is God's promise?
1John 2:25 and this is what he promised us - even eternal life.
This is why Jesus said he would raise us up at the last day. Even though he is all powerful and could give us eternal life immediately, he said at the last day , 4 times . Why? Because he was waiting for the appearance of the Bride, our Mother.
When we call someone father , we know then that he has his children. But can a father be a father without a mother to bear the children? NO it is impossible. So in the same way as our earthly mothers give us physical life, our Spiritual Mother gives us spiritual life.
Romans 1:19-20 We are to know God by what has been made. Everything on earth has a father and mother, even plants. This was to show us about our Heavenly Parents.
God bless you.
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Charles wrote at 2013-01-18 06:42:07
I think the mystery of God's manifestation to man, is what makes these verses so challenging. In 1:2 we see the spirit of God hovering over the waters. In 1:26 God speaks to himself in plural. I am a Christian, but I do not believe there are 3 distinct persons in the godhead. I believe the Lord is one, but has manifested himself to us in the person of his son, Jesus Christ. As I Corinthians 15:28 teaches us, eventually even the son will subject himself to God. The person of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, was created by God as a intermediary between ourselves and God.