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Looking at a Shafer & Son purchased 5 years ago ... it's a 5' Baby Grand TG0008983 ... $3,800.  It looks new and well cared for - is this a quality piano?  Where is this manufactured?  Is there a way to verify it's age from the serial number?

Considering BALDWIN GRAND PIANO
5'8 Serial # 21583
Built 1913
This piano has been completely restored by what appears to be a competent company - completely rebuilt with the highest quality parts.  $10,300  Is this totally dependent upon the reputation and ability of the restoration company?  Parts used?  etc.  Are there good reasons to buy something that old?

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Hi Michael:

Schafer never made pianos themselves but formed relationships with other manufacturers to put their name on it.

Young Chang, Samick, Daewoo, Sojn and Schimmel were some of the factories building these piano.

Quality piano...not really. Before I considered buying, I would have it looked at by a Registered member of the Piano Technicians Guild. You can go to http://www.ptg.org to locate a technician in your area.

The serial number doesn't match any manufacturer I could find....but I'm thinking either Young Change or Samick as the suspects.

No to the Baldwin: I would have to know who rebuilt it, and the list of things that were done.

The quality of the rebuild is dependent on the reputation of the rebuilder and if they are a registered member of the piano technicians guild. In my shop a "totally" rebuilt piano starts at 28,000.00 so I'm a bit suspect.

Total Rebuilt means: New soundboard, bridges, pin block, action (hammers, hammer shanks, Hammer shank flanges, whippens, back checks, front and balance rail pins, all felts and cloth, Damper underlever system, damper guide rail, dampers, and refinishing.

Here again, I wouldn't do a thing before I had it inspected. And if the rebuilder balks at that, move on!

Also, I would want to see the warranty given...IN WRITING!

You may want to take a look at the Kawai line of Grand pianos. An R2 might just do you.

Buying a quality instrument, like the Baldwin from 1913, rebuilt properly is a special thing...but "rebuild Properly" is the catch!!!!!

You can always check to see if someone is a registered member of the Piano Technicians Guild by going to ptg.org, and look to where it says, "locate a technician". You have the opportunity to put a name in the query and see if it pops up.

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I am a Registered/tested member of the Piano Technicians Guild (RPT) with 49 years of experience in all phases and levels of the acoustic piano. I will answer any questions regarding acoustic pianos only. All questions and answers are to remain public. Please to not include sensitive material! If they are marked private, I will change them to public. My answers may be of assistance to others. If privacy is an issue, please contact me through my web site: http://www.onestipiano.com Electronic keyboards, organs, and player/reproducing piano mechanisms are outside of my expertise. Anything to do with: Construction, Service, Tuning, Climate Control Systems, Piano Disc, Purchasing, Selling, Insurance Appraisal, Rebuilding, Repairs, Legal issues, Maintenance, Environmental issues, Finish issues with acoustic pianos. My full resume can be found at: http://onestipiano.com/pages/history.html You can like us on Facebook at: http://www.facebook.com/onestipianoservice

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