My Grandgrand father let an old Lyon & Healy Tenor Sax and i will love to have more information and worth of it. Every time I open that old suitcase, I feel that I have in front of me a relic of nearly 100 years
its an American Professional Chicago it has two flowers, one on top and one on the bottom, the number in the back its 68730, and its a Low Pitch with DEC 8 1914. Lisense, PAT.
Answer you have a stencil tenor sax. What's a "Stencil"?
From the web...
A "stencil" is a word that is specifically supposed to refer to a saxophone built by a major sax manufacturer for another company or storefront. On receipt of the saxophone, the storefront would literally take a stencil and engrave their own name or design on the horn.
American stencil manufacturers were generally:
* Occasionally Holton
* Occasionally HN White (King)
American stencils generally have the following characteristics:
* A different serial number chart than the pro horns form the manufacturer
* Stencil manufacture didn't begin in the US until about 1920
* A reduced feature set than the pro horns (for example, Conn stencils don't have rolled tone holes)
* Generally lower quality control than pro horns
* Designs were generally based on earlier tooling (i.e. body and keywork). For example, if Selmer produced a stencil of their Mark VII, it would have the "look and feel" of the Mark VI.
* Generally cheaper materials were used
* Generally limited engraving
* All American stencils I have seen have been low pitch, A=440hz (modern intonation) horns (I still recommend checking with a tuner, in case some are high pitch and aren't marked)
* Occasionally new designs were released only on stencil models (new keywork, different octave vent designs, etc.). If the design was good, it occasionally found its way onto the pro models
* American stencils were generally made by the lowest bidder for the contract. For instance, if the Vega company requested a bunch of saxophones, they would buy them from whoever was the cheapest supplier: Conn, Buescher, etc. This means that most stencils were not always made by one specific company over the life of the stencil.
European and Asian stencils generally don't suffer from the same problems of American stencils: they had mostly the same feature set (look and feel) of the pro OR INTERMEDIATE horn they were stencilled from, just different engraving. For example, the King Marigaux is a stencil of the SML Gold Medal "Mk. II". The only differences between the two horns is the engraving and that the Marigaux doesn't appear to have as many finish choices available for it.
These are general rules for stencils, of course. There are many interesting exceptions: Keilwerth made sax bodies for many different companies in Germany and not all these horns are exceptionally good. Lyon and Healy (an American company) occasionally designed their own horns, but had other companies fabricate them. The list goes on."Stencil" Instrument List
A stencil is a saxophone made by a major manufacturer but with a different name on it. Music stores, schools and other businesses would order a number of saxophones from a major saxophone maker and have their name put on, instead of the company that made them. A major manufacturer could also create separate brand names to compete in certain markets or may have purchased a smaller company and kept the name. Whatever the reason and for the most part these stencil horns were built with many of the features of their parent company, but the over-all quality rarely equalled that of the manufacturer's name brand models.
The major saxophone companies that made stencils were Conn, Buescher, Martin. Selmer, Holton and York. Some of these companies were purchased in time and became stencils themselves. There are many ways to tell if a saxophone was produced by a certain company. Tone hole construction, G# key cluster design, key guard design, key layout, octave mechanism type, serial number markings and more. Speaking of serial numbers most stencils did not follow the parent companies serial number range so it is hard to tell the year it was made. Unfortunately, little, to no, documentation is available for these instruments.
This list is not all inclusive. There may be a Conn stencil with a name of any music store or small company that may be sitting in someone's attic somewhere waiting to be discovered. This list is constantly growing, but at least it's a starting point if you see a sax you are interested in and want to know who probably made it. You will notice that some stencils like Wurlitzer and Lyon & Healy are listed more than once. This is because at one time or another they were made by more than one manufacturer.
Lyon & Healy
Cole & Dunas
Sears & Roebuck
Dorn & Kirschner
Indiana Band Instrument Company
Lyon & Healy
end web content... Your sax was made by Buescher or Martin...
It's a solid great old tenor sax... Get it all fixed up and play it!!!!
thanks Grant Koeller
I'm a Professional Jazz Saxophone soloist recently retired from 23 years with the USAF Band Of Flight, WPAFB, OHIO, experienced in performance, technique and equipment. I'm not a buyer/seller or dealer. I have 40 years Alto, Tenor, Soprano and Bari Saxophone performance experience with additional years on the Flute, Clarinet, Bass Clarinet, Bass Guitar, Piano, Drum-set, Guitar and Voice. I'm a third generation professional military musician, my father, Bill Koeller(1939-1997) was in the USAF 1958-1962, and played Jazz Hammond B-3 organ from 1957-1997, and my fathers Uncle, Alfred Koeller (1912-1993), was a professional Acoustic Bassist in the Army Air Corps in WWII, and also performed on Jazz Guitar, Hammond organ, Piano and tenor saxophone.
Professional Saxophone Soloist, 23 total years with the USAF Bands, 6 years with the USAF Band of Flight, Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio, performing on Tenor, Alto, Soprano, Clarinet, and Flute. 4 years in Japan, at Yokota AFB with the USAF Band of the Pacific. An Avid Composer and Arranger for the Night Hawk Protocol Combo. Former Lead Alto Saxophonist with the USAF Night Flight Big Band performing the music of Glenn Miller as well as other hits of the Big Band Era. I collect LP records of Jazz, blue's, classical and rock, and have over 12,000 records.
Organizations USAF,Phi MU Alpha Sinfonia, Men's National Music Fraternity, Johnny Mack Super Big Band, Tom Daugherty Orchestra, Kim Kelly Orchestra, Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Eddie Love Big Band, Gem City Big Band, Jazz Central Big Band, Shin Sings Orchestra, Kim Kelly Orchestra,USAF Night Flight Jazz Ensemble, Different Hats Big Band, Jimmy Baker Blues Band, This Side Up, Freelance, KING KOELLER Quartet, Jazz Central Big Band, GB Work, Sax On The Web,
Publications Saxophone On the Web;
Anchorage Daily News;
Augustana College Public Radio, WVIK;
Education/Credentials North Texas State University School of Music, Jazz Studies 1982-1986
Lead Alto, Lab bands 1982-83 and small group leader 1983-1984,
Jazz Radio Host WVIK 90.1 FM NPR affiliate Rock Island, IL
United States Collegiate Wind Band European tour 1980
Augustana College, Rock Island IL, Liberal Arts Music
Mentors/Teachers:My father Bill Koeller, a Jazz Hammond B-3 Organist (1939-1997)
Great Uncle Alfred Koeller, Acoustic Bass 1912-1993
Awards and Honors Paul Shartle Musician of the Quarter Spring 2008;
Glenn Miller Festival, Clarinda, Iowa featured soloist;
McDonald's All-American Band and Jazz Ensemble 1979;
US Collegiate Wind Bands,Paul Lavalle Conductor, tour of Europe,1980;
John Phillip Sousa Award, 1980 Dimond HS Anchorage, Alaska;
USAF National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Star;
USAF Achievement Medal with 5 Oak Leaf Clusters;
USAF Good Conduct Medal with 6 Oak Leaf Clusters
Past/Present Clients Performed with, Bob Hope, The Platters, Four Tops, Jimmy Dorsey, Crystal Gail, Helen Ready, James Williams, Dallas Jazz Orchestra, Jack Jones, The Mills Brothers, the G-Clef's, Lionel Hampton at Carnegie Hall, Performed for the King Of Thailand 2005, Tom "Bone's" Malone, Roy Hargrove, Tommy Turrentine, Performed for President Gerald Ford, President George W. Bush, The Maguire Sisters, The USO Girls-Andrew Sisters Tribute, The Four Lads, Lincoln Berry, The Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Louis Bellson, Buddy DeFranco, Walter Bishop Jr, Sadao Watanabe, Bobby Shew, Pete Jolly, Quad City Jazz Ensemble, Augustana College Symphonic Band, Jack Scott, Catfish Jazz Society, Intrigue-Boston Wedding Band, The Mark Herbert Little Big Band, The Pacesetters Big Band, The Ambassadors Jazz Ensemble, Pacific Showcase Big Band, Jimmy Dorsey Big Band under the direction of Lee Castle, Ronny Scott Orchestra, Big Al's Hot Dance Orchestra, The Dayton Sidewinders, Tom Daugherty Orchestra, Johnny Mack Super Big Band, Ken Peplowski, Eddie Daniels, Buddy Guy, Roy Hargrove, Warren Parrish, John OMeara Jr., Dave Holcomb, Albia Silva,Vinnie Demartino, Clon VonFitz, The G Clef's