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Kurt Walter wrote at 2014-06-23 07:21:01

To add to the previous discussion:

I am doing a research study on the Pan American Line to establish a dating system. The results of the brass portion is what is posted on the Conn Loyalist website mentioned previously.

Pan American was more than just a second line. They were incorporated as a subsidiary of CG Conn Ltd in July 1919 and opened their own plant in November of that year. The Prefix "P" and "W" were used to establish it as a separate line. The sax in this article is a Pan American Model 48M stenciled for Dorn & Kirscher, probably of a mid 1920s vintage at its serial number is near when Pan American began stamping the Hardy tone hole patent as opposed to the Haynes tone hole patent which the main Conn line stayed with. As best as I can tell this may have occurred in the 1924/25 time period.

The sax study may be followed on the saxontheweb forum "Pan American Serial Number Study."

Hope this helps

Kurt Walter wrote at 2015-02-19 21:11:00
This sax is a stencil of a vintage 1926, model 48M Pan American alto sax.

Pan American was relatively independent manufacturing subsidiary of CG Conn Ltd. It was incorporated in July 1919, with their factory opening in November 1919.

CG Conn was a brand, a manufacturer and a holding company much like General Motors with GM, Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet, etc subsidiaries. Pan American was one of CG Conn's.

The serial number dating sytem for Pan American is published on the Conn Loyalist Website.

Kurt Walter wrote at 2015-03-05 00:46:18
This sax is a Pan American model 48M from about 1926. The Conn Loyalist now has a serial number dating system updated for brass and a new one for Saxes. The trombones and woodwinds are syill being developed.

Pan American was a relatively independent subsidiary of CG Conn Ltd. All so called Conn stencils are in fact Pan American stencils. The company Pan American Band Instrument and Case Co was incorporated in July 1919 with its factory opening in November 1919. It had its own models, catalogs and distribution.

CG Conn Ltd was a brand, a manufacturer and a holding company much like General Motors with GM, Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet, etc subsidiaries. Pan American was one of Conn's.

Calling Pan American products, Conn stencils is much like calling a Buick, a Cadillac stencil. While there are many similarities, there are enough differences to establish the products independently.


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