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I am able to answer questions regarding Scientology practices and procedures, belief system, donations, religious rites, management, administrative and staff matters.

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I am a second generation Scientologist whose parents began in Dianetics in 1950 and studied directly with L. Ron Hubbard. I have been personally active in the church for 40 years, have eleven years former staff experience in both technical and administrative areas, and extensive technical and administative training and counseling. I am "clear" and "OT." I come from an extended family of many religions, but my spouse and children are Scientologists, as are my siblings and their spouses, several cousins, nieces, nephews, an aunt, and an uncle. Between us we have had every good and bad experience one might go through in the church at every level.

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Scientology - Yet another follow up..

Expert: Laurie Hamilton - 10/29/2009

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QUESTION: But levels aside, a true antisocial personality could only be resolved if they cooperated with persons directing them to examine and deal with their own minds - and they won't cooperate. So, theoretically, and institutional setting would be required... while methods were employed to try to obtain their cooperation.

I don't think physical restraint would help the situation. What about proving to the person that you are not one of the "others" trying to keep them down, then gently showing them areas where they can improve, and having the patience to help?

MEST is a result of our action..."Why" is there a boat? Because you built it.

We built this universe? I helped build it? What for? I don't seem to recall, can you?

They are "stuck" in a past incident during which a threat to survival WAS real, which incident has not been real for a very, very long time.

So thetans are mortal?

ANSWER: How would you propose that you prove anything (such as, that you are not one of the "others") to a person who is hallucinating?

By institutional setting, I am referring to a setting of restricted access, quiet, calm, isolation from disturbing stimuli, etc. This implies keeping the world from the person - not necessarily keeping the person from the world.

"We built this universe? I helped build it? What for? I don't seem to recall, can you?"

If you could recall, you wouldn't be stuck here. As I can recall some, I am less stuck than most.

"So thetans are mortal?"

Of course not. But a person who conceives themselves to be their body, is convinced that they can (and most assuredly will) die. There is no such thing as an antisocial personality who is aware of themselves as a spiritual being.

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QUESTION: How would you propose that you prove anything (such as, that you are not one of the "others") to a person who is hallucinating?

I don't know, unconditional love? Responding with positivity and strength to any action they try to perpetrate? Too idealistic? Aren't *most* of us hallucinating/misperceiving reality a lot of the time?

"So thetans are mortal?"
"Of course not."
But didn't you say that SP's were created by event that actually happened in the past in which their *real selves* were at risk? And when I asked what a real self was, didn't you say thetan? Did I misunderstand something?

Also, do you know anyone who can willingly, with control, leave their body and explore?

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"I don't know, unconditional love?" Good luck with that. If you are breathing in the vicinity of a true anti-social personality, you are the enemy. They don't care about your love. If you "love" them, so much the better. That means you are weak and vulnerable.

Most of us are mis-perceiving reality all the time. But at least we are in agreement as to what that reality is. That's why it is "real."

The "real selves" of SP's that are at risk are not their actual selves, but the hallucination of who/what they THINK they are. If an SP could be truly aware of themselves and who/what they really were, they could not be an SP. Thetans are basically good. A thetan is immortal, and so cannot be threatened. If an SP could know that, they couldn't be an SP. Don't try to make it make sense. Psychosis makes no sense.

I have known people who have "exterior perception" at will - sometimes quite remote from the body. But thetans do not have eyes - so what they "see" or perceive is not the light reflected from an object, but rather a sense of the nature of the object which reflects the agreements which result in its existence. Thetans have no ears, so they cannot hear things, but can sense people's emotions and intentions, and the general sense of their interaction. Theta perception is not physical perception. An exterior thetan who "has visio", in other words, can seemingly "see," seems quite rare to me - and the exact mechanism whereby those images would be received or formed (or even that different thetans would do it the same or differently) is not at all clear to me.

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