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QUESTION: Why do Seventh day Adventists claim Jesus was crucified in a year where according to Jews, the Passover Occured on a Monday?

The Jews who claim a Monday Passover in 31 AD are backed in their claim of a Monday Passover for that year by the Scripture of Time (Daily/ weekly/ and monthly cycle)

To also validate their cliam, I used a program called vertual telescope: http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky

This program gives an accurate picture of the sky from any viewing point on earth. It provides detailed phases of the moon for any year that could be called into question for the posibility of validating when passover occured in comparison to the days of the week.

The maker of the site had this to say about the program:
"Calculations for dates between 4713 B.C. and A.D. 8000
are accurate to better than one minute and in most cases within seconds". John Walker

I am going to be publishing an article on the differing theories for the year of Crucifixion since the Christian world cannot seem to tell this story the same yet all claim to tell truth from God.  I would love to have your Expert opinion which you believe to be truth concerning this issue.

All answers will be put to the test against all other denominational answers in comparison to the time specific Passover Laws Jesus claimed to fulfill to see if anyone in the Christian world is telling the truth according to the Law and Testimony (Spirit of Prophecy)

The Below link referenced charts are going to accompany the Article in concert with the answers provided by the differing denominational experts. If your reply is the truth from God inspired by God, it will have an opportunity to shine in the face of all the lies collected by the other denominations.  I look forward to your reply.

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ANSWER: Hi Todd,

The Bible specifically states that His crucifixion was on a Friday and that He rested Sabbath and rose on Sunday.

Since the Bible is my standard and it seems that in this case human science does not agree. I choose the truth as the Bible presents it. Just as in so many cases of the past, I am sure if it is God's will to allow us to know...science will eventually catch up with Biblical truth and be able to prove without a doubt Christ died on a Friday.

Friday Preparation Day   7th day Sabbath Sunday 1st Day of Week
Matthew   26:20 - 27:61   27:62 - 27:66   28:1 - 28:15
Mark   14:17 - 15:47        16:1   16:1 - 16:13
Luke   22:14 - 23:56       23:56   24:1 - 24:53
John   13:1 - 19:42         -          20:1 - 20:23

The women viewed the sepulchre and the body of Jesus on the preparation day (Friday evening before sunset) and then rested according to the 4th Commandment, on the Saturday Sabbath. When the Saturday Sabbath had past, the women returned to the tomb at sunrise, and that day was the first day of the week (Sunday). Clearly then, Jesus was crucified on Friday afternoon, the preparation day for the Saturday Sabbath.


See how your notes compare with this website:  http://biblelight.net/pasover.htm


I believe that the only difference you will find will be form the sources.


God bless!!


Matt





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QUESTION: I noticed that your Explination above leaves out details of truth that should fit on the same time line.  It's true that luke states they prepared spices and rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.  Mark however states they "bought spices after the Sabbath had past.

How did the Women Prepare spices before they Sabbath if they did not purchase them until after the Sabbath had past?

If every fact of truth found in the 4 bible gospels is in fact a truth, then every fact of truth should be able to fit on the same time line illustration with out any fact of truth needing to be ignored

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Anylizing-bible-Gos

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Anylizing-bible-Gos

Now also in your reply you stated, "The Bible specifically states that His crucifixion was on a Friday"

What Chapter and verse is that? I am aware of the bible stating he died on a preparation day and I am also aware that a preparation day can fall on any day of the week concerning Passover since the 15th of Nissan is a Sabbath where no coustomary work is to be completed.

I noticed your explination focuses on the bible verses which attempt to portray Jesus as stating "in three days" yet ignores the bible verses where Jesus may have actually stated "After three days".  The two are not the same as seen in some of the prior link illustrated charts that i shared with you.  Not only is the bible confused about what Jesus said, so is the ancient historical record.

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http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bible-changes-word-

Are you sure you are giving me truth from God?  If so, why does your explination illustrate Jesus falling short of fulfilling time speicific prohpecy?  Based on your explination, jesus rose from the "the heart of the earth before a daytime period was fulfilled.

Blessings

ANSWER: Hi Todd,

In relation to Mark and how you quoted it as being interpreted as, bought spices after the Sabbath had past.

Mark 16:1
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

John 19:40
Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

When you read these verses as a whole you can see the context. The KJV states it in its more correct context, as you see the word “had” is right before the word “bought”. So we see that the women “had bought” the spices…this is past tense and could be readily be interpreted as being before the Sabbath just like Luke and John directly imply. Luke 24:1 and Luke 23:53-55 state that the spices were already prepared before they went on that Sunday after dawn. In John we see that they used the spices at the time of His burial. They more than likely went back to His tomb to finish the process. More than likely they were pressed for time do to the Sabbath coming on. We can also know that the Sabbath was coming up because Jesus was still on the cross when the Roman soldiers broke the legs of the criminals to speed their death…Christ at this time was already dead.

Luke 23:50-55 “And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just: (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God. This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.”

As you read the Vs. above you can see that they actually prepared the spices for the First day of the week, on Friday (the day of the crucifixion)...but rested in accordance to the commandment.  

Before I stated that the Bible directly states…yet I meant to say that it directly implies this fact. Ask yourself this question; what day did Christ rise and the women arrive at the tomb? In accordance to every one of the Gospels...He rose and the women came on the 1st day of the week (John 20:1, Luke 24:1, Mark 16:9, Mark 16:2, Matthew 28:1). Is there any doubt about what day the 1st day of the week is? No. It is Sunday. So without a doubt we know that the three days ended on a Sunday the first day of the week. This now clarifies that the commandment the women observed (in relation to the Sabbath) was the commandment of the Decalogue (the 4th). Also if you count back 3 days and nights from Sunday morning you come back to Thursday evening, which then leads to what I explained about Thursday Gethsemane, Friday crucifixion, and Saturday (Sabbath) being in the tomb. There is no way around this.
 


In regards to the “after three days” statement, please see the passage below.

Matthew 27:62-64(KJV) 62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulcher be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

We can see a few things from this passage. The priests came to Pilot on Friday evening, thus breaking the Sabbath day…to make sure that Christ’s body did not get stolen. Now we know from the verse that the soldiers would only be there till the “third day”. With this in mind let’s go to Matthew 28:1-4. We see that the guards were there still when the angel came to tell Jesus He could raise Himself. This Vs. (as previously stated) also talks about the resurrection being on the “first day of the week” once again putting us in the context of Fri, Sat, Sunday. Just this alone puts all the errors of a Wednesday, Thursday crucifixion to bed.  There is no other way to interpret the “first day of the week” other than it being Sunday.  So if you count backward using Sunday as the 1st, 7th, 6th day of the week you come to Friday being the crucifixion.  The only other passage where the “after three days” is mentioned is in Mark 8:31 which I dealt with in my previous answer.

In regards to the fulfillment of the “daytime” prophecy…
The “daytime” referred to was in regards to a literal Jewish day. The Jewish 1st day of the week starts on Saturday after sundown. So technically Christ could have risen anytime after sundown Saturday to fulfill His prophecy of raising on the 1st day of the week. The priests (His enemies)also understood this as well just as previously stated above…which is why they had the Roman guards still at the tomb guarding it.


With all this being said, the choice comes down to two options. Either you accept the Bible for what it says or you accept a scientific interpretation? I would say that most of the time science ends up taking the same positions of the Bible. In this particular case science is just not there yet (if it ever gets there at all).

Science is ever evolving, and changing in belief and thought...yet the Bible has stood true and will continue to stand true till Christ comes again.


God bless.


Matt












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QUESTION: Why is your explination  of "In three days" VS After three days, more true than what the ancient historical record states in this text comparisons at the following link?

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/In-three-days-or-af

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When I read the 4 bible gospels in context concerning the spices.  The book of John attempts to portray Jesus buried according to jewish coustoms so no further preparation of the body was needed or required.  The book of John eliminates the women and the spices all together.  

I tested what you said about the Past Tense of the purchasing of the spices but there are many bible versions that do not agree with your speculation.

Why are there Two OT Prophecies which specifically state Jesus would be killed in the middle of the week yet Christians claim Jesus was Crucfified on a Friday Preparation day in stead of a Wednesday Preparation day.

When Calculating the correct day for the decree of Atexerxes 458 BC as seen at this next link: It leads to 30 AD for a Crucifixion. In 30 AD The Passover Occured on a Wednesday according to the scripture of time.

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/corrected-chart23.p

This is signifigant for two reasons, The Daniel 70 weeks prophecy specifically states Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week.  Not only is this the middle of the 70th week but it was the middle of the litteral week.

It also turns out that the original Passover Lamb was slain on a wednesday.  So there are Two OT prophecies which specifically state Jesus would be killed in the middle of the week.

What I find more facinating is that those prophecies bare witness to Jesus fulfilling thee days and three nights as well as being killed and rising AFTER three days.

These next three links detail how the Lamb of the passover can be shown to have died in the middle of the week.

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http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Exodus-12-and-16-Va

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This next link illustrates over 9 time specific prophecies in fulfilment when the correct day and year is selected according to prophecy.

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/perfect-prophecy-al

With prohecy clearly identifying 30 AD and Wednesday as the preparation day Jesus died and fulfilled prophecy in accordence with all the scriptures. Why do Christians claim Jesus died in 31 AD on a Friday preparation day and illustrate that he fell short of fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights?

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Why is your explination  of "In three days" VS After three days, more true than what the ancient historical record states in this text comparisons at the following link?

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/In-three-days-or-af

-   Your answer in regards to Mark for this link is incorrect. You state that the “False statements” were the ones that stated that we would be in the grave for 3 days. Yet, the actual “false” or untrue witnesses were in regards to the literal rebuilding of the temple. Since the witnesses did not understand that Christ meant His body would be “rebuilt” after three days, than their statements were false…more over since they didn’t understand His statement,  they more than likely added or subtracted to their testimony thus leading to a contradiction among themselves.  (John 2:19-21)

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-   As I have previously stated I agree with the 3 days and 3 nights: Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, than Friday day, Saturday day, and Sunday day (early morning)

When I read the 4 bible gospels in context concerning the spices.  The book of John attempts to portray Jesus buried according to jewish customs so no further preparation of the body was needed or required.  The book of John eliminates the women and the spices all together.  

I tested what you said about the Past Tense of the purchasing of the spices but there are many bible versions that do not agree with your speculation.

-   I would agree that basing a specific time and date to the purchasing of the spices is indeed speculation…just as thinking that the spices were bought afterwards. My point was that you can interpret it either way.

Why are there Two OT Prophecies which specifically state Jesus would be killed in the middle of the week yet Christians claim Jesus was Crucified on a Friday Preparation day in stead of a Wednesday Preparation day.

When Calculating the correct day for the decree of Atexerxes 458 BC as seen at this next link: It leads to 30 AD for a Crucifixion. In 30 AD The Passover Occured on a Wednesday according to the scripture of time.

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/corrected-chart23.p

This is signifigant for two reasons, The Daniel 70 weeks prophecy specifically states Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week.  Not only is this the middle of the 70th week but it was the middle of the litteral week.

- I have already answered this part of the question. Yet I will restate that Daniel 9:27 can either be literal or prophetic, not both. Since that particular part of Daniel is specifically dealing with prophecy…I interpret it as being prophetic. With this in mind and in using the Biblically proven “day year principal” you will see that its 7 years…and He will be killed in the midst or in the middle of that 7 year time which leads us once again to 31AD. Please see my previous answers in regards to the start date of 457BC (not 458BC).

It also turns out that the original Passover Lamb was slain on a wednesday.  So there are Two OT prophecies which specifically state Jesus would be killed in the middle of the week.

- I do not take issue with the idea that Christ was crucified on a Passover. Yet when that Passover literally occurred during the time of His death...maintains to be the issue.

What I find more facinating is that those prophecies bare witness to Jesus fulfilling thee days and three nights as well as being killed and rising AFTER three days.

These next three links detail how the Lamb of the passover can be shown to have died in the middle of the week.

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Exodus-16.png

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Exodus-12-and-16-Va
http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Original-Passover-L

-   Please keep in mind that a paschal moon would fall on any given day…so it matters not when historically that day seemed to fall on the most. What does matter is what day it fell on when Christ was crucified as I stated earlier. Which has not been able to be proven with absolution.

This next link illustrates over 9 time specific prophecies in fulfilment when the correct day and year is selected according to prophecy.

http://thedeathandresurection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/perfect-prophecy-al

With prohecy clearly identifying 30 AD and Wednesday as the preparation day Jesus died and fulfilled prophecy in accordence with all the scriptures. Why do Christians claim Jesus died in 31 AD on a Friday preparation day and illustrate that he fell short of fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights?

-   Please see the interpretation of Daniel 9:27, which points to 31AD. Please also see my previous statement in regards to 3 days and 3 nights.  Both of these issues I have addressed in my previous answers.

Thanks again!

God be with you brother.

Matt  

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