Seventh-Day Adventists/Ten Commandments are perfect
Frank wrote at 2013-01-26 02:23:46
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First let me say that I do not “complain” about the SDA emphasis on the Ten Commandments. Paul opposed the Judaizers misguided emphasis on circumcision likewise I oppose the misguided SDA emphasis on Sabbath observance for Christians. For the Sabbath was only a mere shadow of the substance which belongs to Christ (cf. Colossians 2:16-17).
<<< The Sabbaths spoken of in Colossians are the yearly Sabbaths associated with the Jewish Feasts, not the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment. >>>
The Ten Commandments were the summary of the temporary Law covenant.
<<< The Ten Commandments represent the entire broken moral law. When the Law of Moses ended the Ten Commandments did not. “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”
(Romans 3:31 KJV) >>>
The Ten Commandments were meant to bring death.
<<< “And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.” (Romans 7:10 KJV) Had they not been transgressed, the principles of the Ten Commandments written in the heart and mind would have guaranteed eternal life. Once transgressed, there was no power of forgiveness in keeping the broken law. >>>
It is the Holy Spirit that converts the soul bringing life not the Ten Commandments. “He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV). The next verse identifies the killing letter. “Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone…”, i.e. the Ten Commandments.
<<< It is only by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit that fallen man can be restored to compliance with the broken moral law. >>>
In Psalm 19:7 David is writing of the Law which to him, and all Jews, meant the entire Old Covenant Law not just ten of the commandments. To us Christians the perfect law is the final and full revelation of Jesus Christ. It is the law that was delivered to the saints in the first century (cf. Jude 3). In other words, the New Covenant is perfect, converting the soul not the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments were an incomplete law.
<<< “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.” (Psalms 19:7 KJV) The expert believes in a narrow view when applying the Ten Commandments. Scripture indicates otherwise. “I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.” (Psalms 119:96 KJV) >>>
For example, the Ten Commandments do not condemn:
<<< The Ten Commandments encompass every possible sin as they reveal the transgressed law and sin is transgression of the law. “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4 KJV) >>>
<<< This is a violation of the 6th Commandment. Any practice that is harmful to the body is considered to be self-murder. >>>
2) Obscene language
<<< The words obscene and obscenity are not found in the KJV Bible. >>>
<<< This is a violation of the 4th commandment that says six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work. >>>
<<< Pride is exaltation of self and is a violation of the 1st Commandment. >>>
<<< Any sex outside of the marriage of one man and one woman is a violation of the law that defines marriage and is sin under the 7th commandment. >>>
<<< Again this is a violation of the 7th commandment. >>>
<<< This, also, is a violation of the 7th commandment. >>>
8) Taking brethren to court
<<< This is a violation of the 1st commandment. “For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.” (Hebrews 10:30 KJV) >>>
<<< Again, the 7th commandment. >>>
The Ten Commandments do not tell us:
1) How to get saved
<<< The written law shows us our sins. Its purpose is not to tell us how to get saved. >>>
2) How to have sins forgiven
<<< The moral law tells us we have sinned. It was the ceremonial law under the Law of Moses that revealed the promised savior. >>>
3) That we must be charitable
<<< We are commanded to be charitable in order to fulfill the law. Lack of charity reveals selfishness and all selfishness is sin. Selfishness is a violation of the 6th commandment. >>>
4) To help the poor
<<< There are sins of both omission and commission. Not helping the poor is selfishness and is a violation of the 6th commandment. >>>
5) To be forgiving
<<< If we are unwilling to forgive we are exhibiting self-righteousness and since we have no righteousness of our own, we are in violation of commandments 1 and 3. It should be noted that items 3 through 5 are examples of how Christians are to fulfill the law. If the Ten Commandments had never been transgressed there would be no poor that needed help or charity and no wrongs would have been committed that required forgiveness. The Holy Spirit is given to bring us back into compliance with the broken law by writing its principles in the heart and mind (Hebrews 8:10). Jesus didn’t come to condemn those who were transgressors of the law but to save them. “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” (John 3:17 KJV) >>>
There are 21 references to “the law of the Lord” in the KJV. A review of these references reveals that “the law of the Lord” refers to the Old Covenant law not the Ten Commandments alone. For example,
“He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the Lord” (2 Chronicles 31:3 KJV).
“(As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons” (Luke 2:23-24 KJV).
From these examples we can see that the term “the law of the Lord” does not automatically refer to the Ten Commandments. I believe that if you read the other references for “the law of the Lord” you will see that it never refers to the Ten Commandments unless it is as a part of the Old Covenant Law. Only 2 Kings 10:31 actually highlights a commandment found in the Ten Commandments that is the commandment concerning idolatry. In the other 20 references it obviously refers to more than the Ten Commandments. Therefore, we cannot interpret “the law of the Lord” to mean the Ten Commandments based on one reference in opposition to the rest of Scripture.
<<< The law in the Old Testament included a temporary law that was instituted when Adam and Eve sinned. SDA’s call it the ceremonial law. It was a remedial law that revealed the promised Redeemer in “types and shadows” and lasted until Christ accomplished the promised atoning sacrifice for sins. “Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.” (Hebrews 9:1 KJV) This does not alter in any way the truth that the Ten Commandments spoken by God at Sinai represent the broken moral law. It is only because the moral law was transgressed that the ceremonial law was added. >>>
We know by virtue of the revelation of Jesus Christ that the Old Covenant was not faultless. “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second” (Hebrews 8:6-7 NKJV).
<<< The covenant spoken of in these verses is the agreement the children of Israel made with the Lord at Sinai to keep all the commandments of the Lord. The law was not faulty, it was the people who were faulty. “Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.” (Hebrews 8:9 KJV) >>>
So was the Old Covenant perfect or not? The Old Covenant was indeed perfect for the purpose for which God designed it. What was the purpose of the Old Covenant? Its purpose was to point out men’s sinfulness and drive them to Christ. “Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian” (Galatians 3:23-25 NRSV). The Old Covenant was not perfect as a system of salvation or “no place would have been sought for a second.”
<<< And what is the purpose of the law under the New Covenant? It points out sin and shows sinners their need for the Savior, the same Savior that was revealed in types and shadows under the Law of Moses. The Mosaic covenant did not do away with the Abrahamic Covenant. “And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.” (Galatians 3:17 KJV) Old Testament believers are not saved because they kept the law of sacrifices for forgiveness of sins but as they by faith looked to the promised Savior for forgiveness and redemption that those sacrifices represented. >>>
Today we read Psalm 19:7 and apply it to the perfection of the New Covenant and the salvation it offers.
<<< The law of the New Covenant is the principles of the Ten Commandments written in the heart and mind and kept by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” (Hebrews 8:10 KJV) “Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.” (Zechariah 4:6 KJV) “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1 KJV)
We see the perfection of the law when we recognize its proper place in God’s plan of salvation. David’s praise of the law of the Lord and the commandments is proper even by New Covenant standards. Paul noted the obsolescence of the Old Covenant and also said of it, “Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good” (Romans 7:12 NKJV). The ultimate meaning of the perfect law of the Lord is the New Covenant gospel which trumps the tablets of stone.
<<< The “New Covenant Standard” is the standard that Adam and Eve failed to attain when they disobeyed God’s commandment to not eat from a certain tree in the garden. SDA’s believe that standard is the law given to fallen man in the form of Ten Commandments at Sinai. >>>
God Bless You,
<<< In Christ’s love,
Christian wrote at 2013-01-27 13:36:54
I particularly had a good laugh at Frank's attempt to fit all sins into the Ten Commandments. It was funny to see this supposedly Bible believing person suddenly go outside the Bible to make the sins fit SDA theology. It was both funny and sad that in his efforts to defend SDA theology he was quite willing to look the fool. No Bible believing person would accept his nonsense, but I bet he thinks he's so smart. How sad...
John wrote at 2013-01-28 21:49:52
No Christian what’s sad are people who use religious bigotry and spiritual bullying towards others just because they hold different beliefs. Do you realize that there are many Bible believing people throughout the world, not just the SDAs, who share Frank’s understanding of scripture, specifically the Ten Commandments and the Plan of Salvation?
I don’t see where Frank is going outside of the Bible to make his points and I completely agree with his response. He is simply presenting the SDA interpretations on the subject leaving it to the reader to decide what to believe in their hearts. You can disagree if you like, but why be so juvenile about it?