Seventh-Day Adventists/Jesus our sabbath-rest
John wrote at 2013-04-23 17:50:14
Before putting your complete trust in Sal for God’s truth I would first encourage you to seek out these answers for yourself by studying His Word with the help of His Holy Spirit. That is the ONLY way you will know for certain that Sal’s answers are correct. To trust in him without verification is to leave yourself open to the deceptions of Satan.
That said you might be interested to know that know that Sabbath observance since the crucifixion is well documented…http://www.remnantofgod.org/sabhist.htm
And that any change in or of the Sabbath is a myth…http://myth-one.com/chapter_28.htm
Additionally please remember that there are well over 500 churches today that observe God’s Holy Sabbath Day, not just the SDAs…http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/sabbathkeepingchurches.html
Are all of these churches playing ‘wordgames’ with scripture as you claim the SDAs are?
Frank wrote at 2013-04-24 02:26:44
4 21 2013 - Jesus our sabbath-rest
<<< The expert’s response: >>>
Brother Matt’s conclusion is not completely wrong; however, it certainly is besides the main point of the passage. Jesus did not utter those words and Matthew include them in his Gospel to offer Christians a stress-free life.
<<< It can’t be denied that that burden of sin can add significant stress in the lives of unbelievers as their joy and satisfaction depends upon how well they perform and how favorably they believe they are perceived by others. True peace and happiness comes from knowing Christ and living in obedience to Him. That is a significant stress reducer. >>>
“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30 NKJV).
How one could read that passage and believe that it means that Jesus wants to give Christians a stress-free life is beyond me. The clear meaning of the text is that Jesus is the better Sabbath rest for his people. The rest that he provides is rest for our souls (v. 29). Jesus came to save souls. Stress can certainly be reduced by coming to Jesus; however, that is not the primary meaning of the text.
<<< Perhaps it would have been better if the questioner had gone to Matt for clarification of what he meant by a stress free life. God’s people will have a thousand year “feast of tabernacles” with the Lord at the second coming when He takes the saints to be with Him in heaven. It will be a thousand year rest in which the saints will have the opportunity to see for themselves that God is just and that his judgments are righteous. >>>
“Come to me” our Lord requests. The first step in coming to Jesus is to repent. That is the context in which this passage is found. In verses 20-24 Jesus relates the supreme importance of coming to him in repentance.
“Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: ‘Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you” (vs. 20-22 NKJV).
Note that Jesus is speaking of “the day of judgment” not of having a stress-free earthly life. In v. 24 the theme of judgment is repeated. “But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you” (NKJV). Jesus gives those that repent and come to him complete rest (v. 28).
<<< The result of not repenting is the judgment. The result of repentance brings the assurance of salvation in Christ and certainly goes a long was to reducing stress and anxiety. >>>
Sin is a great burden to bear on one’s conscience. Coming to Jesus removes the guilt of sin. We still suffer in this life, but we know that the suffering pales in comparison to the glory that awaits us. Paul explains this beautifully. “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us” (Romans 8:18 NASB).
“Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:16-18 NASB).
<<< Who doesn’t feel less stress and anxiety just reading these verses!? >>>
Jesus wants all who come to him in repentance to have spiritual rest for their souls in him our true Sabbath rest. The 7th day Sabbath of the Israelites was only a shadow of the true rest found only in Christ. “So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV). Jesus as the true fulfillment of the Sabbath is what Hebrews 4 is explaining.
<<< If only the expert wouldn’t add to scripture by saying Christ is our true Sabbath rest when scripture says he will give us rest from the bondage of sin. The expert’s interpretation of Colossians 2:16, 17 includes the belief that the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment is a ceremonial ordinance that ended at the cross. SDA’s believe that the law written in stone is a representation or codification of the broken moral law and that all ten of its precepts are still binding. The rest from the guilt and condemnation of sin that comes from repentance and reformation does not end the Sabbath commandment. It makes keeping it a delight. “If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.” (Isaiah 58:13-14 KJV) >>>
“So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience” (vs. 9-11 NASB).
For anyone who has felt the heavy burden of guilt which no amount of good works could ever erase the invitation of Jesus to come to him to obtain rest for our souls are the most beautiful words to our ears. We know those words mean eternal peace in the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God—Jesus.
<<< The rest into which Paul wants the Hebrews to enter is the rest of heaven at the second coming. In Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 Paul is encouraging the believers to not come short of entering in through unbelief as the children of Israel did when they refused to enter the Promised Land after being given the law at Sinai. “Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;” (Hebrews 3:8, 12-14 KJV) “Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.” (Hebrews 4:11 KJV) >>>
One final note: realize that Matthrew 11:28-30 is immediately followed by Sabbath controversies between Jesus and the Pharisees. Any first century Jew would certainly not miss that Jesus tells people to come to him for rest and then the Sabbath is discussed. They would know that, at least for Matthew, Jesus is the true Sabbath rest for Christians.
<<< There is really no way to know the chronological order of the events recounted by Matthew. Some are told in order and the context makes it obvious but some are preceded by the phrase “at that time” which indicates that the order of occurrence is not relevant. Because of this the expert’s conclusion that for Matthew Jesus is the true Sabbath rest, is nonsense. >>>
Isaiah 66:22-23 does not indicate that New Covenant Christians will be keeping the Old Covenant 7th day Sabbath.
<<< The New Covenant law is the principles of the Ten Commandments written on the heart and in the mind. (see Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8:10, 10:16) >>>
Isaiah is an Old Covenant prophet describing things in Old Covenant terms that he and his immediate audience would easily understand.
<<< Read the book of Daniel and know that Old Covenant prophets did not write what they wrote so that their immediate audience would understand. Much of the Old Testament is better understood in light of the cross than when it was written. “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:20-21 KJV) >>>
Thus he writes that in the New World the bondage of the past in Babylon will be forgotten. They will be full of joy. Babies will not die shortly after birth. Righteous adults will live long lives. They will no longer be slaves so that they will build homes and farm for themselves not harsh Babylonian masters. Their God will never abandon them as it seemed He did during the Babylonian Captivity. A great peace will envelop the people, and even the animals will live in peace with one another. Their God will be worshipped in Jerusalem by all people. This prophecy is not to be taken literally. Note that it is in earthly terms-Old Covenant terms. If we take this prophecy as literal we are presented with several problems concerning its vision of the New World.
<<< It is obvious that everything is not literal but the expert’s interpretation is no more enlightened than that of SDA’s or anyone else's. Old Testament prophets can often be seen to combine future events and current testimony. >>>
1) Women will continue to have babies (65:20, 23; cf. Matthew 22:30).
<<< This is a prophecy that might have been fulfilled had the children of Israel been obedient. >>>
2) The righteous will still die (65:20; cf. Revelation 21:4).
<<< “There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.” (Isaiah 65:20 KJV) This could have a dual fulfillment. There will no doubt be infants and young people in the resurrection and they will grow up with all the saints to the fullness of their stature. Children won’t literally die at the age of one hundred but it could be that this is when they will be considered fully grown. >>>
3) The Levitical priesthood will be resurrected (66:21; cf. Hebrews 7:11-28; 8:13; 10:9-12).
<<< This has a spiritual fulfillment in that the saints are priests of God. “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:6 KJV) >>>
4) New moons and Sabbaths will be celebrated (66:23; cf. Galatians 4:8-11; Ephesians 2:14-16; Colossians 2:14-17; Hebrews 8:13; 10:9).
<<< New moons and Sabbaths will be celebrated. The Sabbath of the 4th Commandment is not a ceremonial ordinance and therefore remains. The new moon will be a monthly day of renewal. “In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.” (Revelation 22:2 KJV) >>>
5) Corpses will decorate Isaiah’s New World (66:24).
<<< "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8 KJV) “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:9 KJV) Isaiah 66:24 is a figurative expression of Hell fire that destroys sin and sinners. Jesus used similar phraseology when describing the ultimate fate of sinners as being cast into hell fire “where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (verse 46) (See Mark 9:43-48) >>>
Now let’s look at v. 23. “From one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.” Firstly, even if we are to celebrate new moons and Sabbaths in the New World, it does not follow that we must celebrate them now. Secondly, if we are to literally keep the 7th day Sabbath, then to be honest we must also keep new moon feasts.
<<< Even though we will have immortality it will still be necessary that we partake from the tree of life to maintain it. “In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.” (Revelation 22:2 KJV) “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:” (Genesis 3:22 KJV) “So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.” (Genesis 3:24 KJV) Without access to the tree of life there is no continuation. >>>
Thirdly, this verse does not say that we will be keeping new moon feasts or Sabbath days. “From one new moon to another…” is a way of saying “continually”. This language points to a continual event not a periodic one. Let me give an example to illustrate this. If I said, “From one Saturday to another I wait for my favorite TV show.” Would that mean that I only waited on Saturday? Or would it mean that I waited continually all week long? Isaiah is saying that we will be worshipping the Lord continually not just on one day a week (see Revelation 4:6-11). Is this not what God wants? Doesn’t He want us to be with Him always?
<<< If the TV show represents the Sabbath then continually waiting for it does not change the fact that the show is still on Saturday. >>>
Another Scripture that uses very similar language is Malachi 1:11. This passage sheds great light on the meaning of “from one Sabbath to another”. We read, “For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations…” (NASB). Does God mean that His name shall be great only when the sun is rising and then again later when it is setting? Of course not, this is a silly understanding of the passage and it is just as silly to interpret Isaiah 66:23 in a like manner.
<<< From the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
“23. Literally, "As often as the new moon (shall be) in its own new moon," that is, every month (Zec 14:16).
sabbath-which is therefore perpetually obligatory on earth.”
The language used for the New moon and the Sabbath is similar and means every month and every week, not continually. The scripture from Malachi that the expert offers as proof that the verses in Isaiah mean continually do not have the same structure as the verses in Isaiah. His comparison is not a valid one. >>>
Both passages are obviously speaking of continual worship. The SDA has conveniently overlooked this passage while speaking of letting Scripture interpret Scripture.
<<< The fact that the Sabbath still exists is proof that man will have been restored to righteousness which includes working six days and resting the seventh. If the Sabbath was a ceremonial ordinance that ended at the cross it would not exist in the new earth. >>>
Supporting my belief in continual worship is the Book of Revelation. We must recall that under the Old Covenant Isaiah did not have the full revelation. This would only become available with the coming of Christ (see Hebrews 1:1-2).
“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
(Hebrews 1:1-2 KJV) These verses say nothing of a full revelation. They just say that God spoke through prophets at different times and in different ways but has in these last days spoken by His son. God’s people killed the prophets and they killed God’s son. >>>
In Revelation we are given a vision of the New Heavens and the New Earth, but in a much fuller form than Isaiah was given.
<<< SDA’s do not believe that Isaiah was any less inspired than John. Fullness of form is a descriptive phrase open to various interpretations and should not be used without further explanation. They are words of deception. The fullness of form of Revelation does nothing to discount the testimony found in the writings of Isaiah. >>>
In this revelation we hear nothing about new moon feasts or of Sabbath-keeping in the New World (see ch.21). In this vision we are to be continually with our God. “And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.
<<< Being continually with God and dwelling with Him is not the same thing. Once again the expert is using His own phraseology in an attempt to prove his already held beliefs. In the earth made new the throne of God is on the earth in the New Jerusalem rather than in its present location in the Temple of “heaven”. Given that we will be able to travel at speeds unimaginable at that time, distance from the throne is of little consequence. >>>
They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God’”. (21:3 NIV).
<<< This is how it was to have been from the beginning. >>>
The plain truth is that the SDA church is simply misusing a passage in a vain attempt to support their false belief. As already shown they completely ignore all the things that Isaiah speaks of as being in the New World. Then they grasp at straws when Isaiah uses the word “Sabbath”. Then they, despite a complete lack of evidence, say that we must all keep the Sabbath day. Although Isaiah never explicitly says that all people must keep the Sabbath in the New World, the SDA says that he implies it. We do have a prophet that does explicitly say that all people must keep a Jewish feast day in the New World, but it is not the prophet Isaiah and it is not the Sabbath.
<<< “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12 KJV) “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” (Rev. 22:14 KJV)
SDA’s believe that the moral law was given to fallen man in the form of Ten Commandments and given in writing to the children of Israel at Sinai. SDA’s reject the contention of anyone that says the moral law can change or be done away with. They reject the contention that the 4th Commandment was a ceremonial law that ended at the cross. If there had been no sin in the world would the expert still say that the seventh day, the day that the Lord blessed and sanctified when it ended would never have been observed? His logic makes no sense. It is the logic of Babylon. >>>
After God brings Jerusalem to victory over the nations the prophet Zechariah says, “Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths”
(Zechariah 14:16 NASB). Unlike the passage in Isaiah, Zechariah explicitly states that all peoples will be required to celebrate the feast of Booths also called Tabernacles. He further states that if they do not they will be punished by God with plagues (v. 18). “This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the feast of Booths” (v. 19 NASB). Of course the SDA ignores this explicit passage because it does not mention the Sabbath day. So we see that it is only an out-of- context reading that can produce a Sabbath-keeping passage out of Isaiah 66:23.
<<< There is no mention of the new earth by Zechariah. The promised blessings of God were dependent upon the obedience of God’s people. Because the children of Israel were unfaithful, many prophecies went unfulfilled. It must have been because of Israel’s continued disobedience that Zechariah’s prophecies went unfulfilled and that includes the prophecies concerning the feast of tabernacles. The fact that the Sabbath wasn’t mentioned by Zechariah is irrelevant. Since his prophecy was not a prophecy concerning the new earth it is meaningless to compare it to Isaiah. Isaiah, on the other hand, does give prophecies concerning the new earth. He mentions the “new earth” in chapters 65 and 66. >>>
I hope that I was able to clear up your confusion. If I can be of further help just let me know.
<<< In Christ’s love,
C.W. Good wrote at 2016-01-30 16:41:16
Churches that make the Sabbath more important than Jesus are wrong and works oriented. The Sabbath is not found in John 3:16.
The repentant thief on the cross receiving the promise of eternal
life from Jesus demonstrates Ephesians 2:8&9. Who works to receive a free gift? If we love God and our neighbor then we are
commandment-keepers who rest in Jesus. May all experience this.