Seventh-Day Adventists/Endorsing Drinking


My son just turned the magic number of 18 and is currently struggling with the acceptable use of alcohol.  He has been drunk at least three times, last night in a public setting.  He is using comments like the Passover and Water to Wine as examples that Jesus endorsed the use of alcohol.  Personally, how do you respond to the explanations given on these two particular subjects posted on ?   You don't seem to address them in your post.

-The Sin of Abstinence -

Whenever the religious discussion turns to alcohol, one of the first points raised is about the harm, evil, and sin of drinking.  However, this damning position is quickly rebutted by the pro-drinking advocates that agree drinking in excess is unhealthful and wrong, but not in moderation.

The abstinence crowd (which is comprised of legalists and anti-Gospel Pharisees) counters this correct position with the outrageously false claim that wine in the Bible means non-alcoholic grape juice.  Here they make their stand.  However, if this impossible delusion were true, it means that drinking is sinful and that Jesus does not condone, much less teach or prescribe, “poison” to represent his bloody Passion.  Only pasteurized, non-fermented grape juice can represent Christ’s blood they claim.

Which side is correct?  There is no middle ground between these two positions. Did Christ and the Church bless and promote fermented wine for the Eucharist or not?  Does Christ and the early church embrace the doctrine of abstinence or not?

Most people, 53%, correctly understand that wine in the Bible is real wine, not grape juice.  But a large number, 33%, disagree, taking the opposite position, happily embracing the many myths of the abstinence crowd.  The rest are not sure.

Poll Results:

Out of 1,900 Christians surveyed, 53% agreed that Jesus did drink alcoholic wine. Many cited Matthew 11:18-19 where Jesus compared His actions to those of John the Baptist, "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber."

While some paraphrased from the Old and New Testaments, "It's not what goes into your body which defiles you, but the words you speak. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" and, "Many times Jesus told His disciples not to be drunk on wine but filled with the Holy Spirit." Others in agreement stated, "All wine has some alcohol in it or else it would be grape juice."

33% percent disagreed with Jesus drinking fermented wine. Their reasoning comments were, "Jesus could not sin and drinking is sin" and, "Wine can mean grape juice or fermented grape juice. Jesus drank unfermented grape juice."

One poll taker in disagreement even quoted Proverbs 20:1, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Other believers felt that, because Jesus was a Nazarene, He was prohibited from drinking alcoholic wine.

Today, the position one takes about alcohol is dependant upon culture, education, and theology.  Neither Judaism nor Christianity prohibits the use of alcohol.  Real wine has always been used in the Jewish Passover and its doctrinal echo, the Eucharist, which is the most sacred of Christian ceremonies.  It is the Muslims that teach wine is unclean and sinful.  This is the real source for this false doctrine that infiltrated the Protestant church in the 19th century.

Let all understand: Wine in the Bible is not grape juice, it is alcoholic in nature. This is not an opinion, but a proven fact of history and science. This is why the Roman Catholic Church has always used real wine in their religious ceremonies, and they still do today.  While there was a large wine industry in the ancient world, there was no such product as grape juice, much less an industry.  Abstinence is based on many myths from those unable or unwilling to read the Bible honestly or correctly.  Wine in the Bible is not grape juice.

A Brief History of Wine

This outcome of this debate about wine in the Bible is telling and serious.  It shows who is paying attention to the Word and who is deliberately manipulating and changing scripture to fit their false views.   Many of those in the abstinence crowd have an irrational hatred of wine, which is called “oenophobia.”  Such cannot understand the Gospel.

Oenophobia: An exaggerated or irrational dislike or hatred of wine

More specifically, it shows who is serious about following the genuine Christ of the New Testament, and who is content to follow a false and worthless Christ that features grape juice.

This post about the doctrine of alcoholic abstinence will briefly cover a number of points,  (A-H) starting with the stunning fact that some in the Protestant Church, including the SDA’s, have confused the teachings of Mohammad for Christ.  The evidence will also show that wine is neither unclean nor harmful and in fact, from a theological point, abstinence is a great sin, not moderate drinking.

The final section, (H), is a scathing refutation of Doug Batchelors outrageously wrong and blasphemous position about wine.  While much more could have been said in this section, it is sufficient to expose him and the anti-Gospel abstinence crowd as theological frauds.

A number of online sources / links are also provided in order to help the reader separate facts from the many myths that abound.  While those in the 19th century could be excused for being so naïve and wrong about wine in the Bible, no one today has any such excuse.  We live in the 21st century, where such myths of the past can easily be put to rest by honestly looking at the facts.


A. Anti-Gospel Doctrine from Islam
B. Abstinence = Sin
C. 19th century Protestants Invent False Doctrine
D.  SDA’s Embrace Abstinence
E. The Truth about Abstinence
F.  Wine & Health
G. Wine, the drink of Eternal Life
H. Tom Norris Refutes Doug Batchelor

-The Sin of Abstinence -by Tom Norris of Adventist Reform, Sept 2014

A. Anti-Gospel Doctrine from Islam

The doctrine of Abstinence comes, neither from the Old Testament nor Christ in the New Covenant, but from the Koran. Abstinence is Muslim doctrine that prohibits drinking of wine or alcohol.  Consequently, Islam, unlike the Jews or Christians, has no religious festivals that use wine.   Moreover, such a doctrinal prohibition teaches that the Gospel Story, is false and wrong, not to be followed or practiced.

(No Muslim can become a Christian due to their prohibition about wine.  They would have to renounce their teaching of abstinence, as well as many other things, in order to participate in the Eucharist.)

Let everyone wake up and understand that those most anti-Christ, the Muslims, embrace the doctrine of abstinence.  They are purposefully not following the teachings of Christ, nor do they believe his blood is salvific.  This doctrine of Abstinence reflects their unbelief in Christ and shows great disdain for the cross, which is the heart of the Gospel.

Alcohol in Islam

Why is alcohol forbidden in Islam?

Islamic dietary laws

Religion and Dietary Practices

The doctrines of the Christian Faith do not mix or mesh with Islam on any level.  It is insulting, outrageous, and blasphemous that the doctrines of Islam have infiltrated into the very heart of the Gospel’s primary ritual, the Lord’s Supper.  This stunning, prophetic, situation, (in the Protestant Church), proves that many have been following false teachers and wolves all these years, including the SDA’s.  They have legions of false doctrine, abstinence being just one of many.

1Tim. 4:1  But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

1Cor. 10:21  You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

B. Abstinence = Sin

As for the doctrine of abstinence in the church, it is a doctrine for those that are blind to the Gospel.  There is no such doctrine in the early church, or even later, not until the 19th century, after Thomas Welch invented grape juice.  It is for those legalists who think they are not sinners, and that they are living a better life than others.

Abstinence is for those foolish Christians not paying attention to Christ or his Word.  To embrace such false doctrine requires a deliberate rejection of the Bible, as well as a denial that covers the history of the world and the fundamentals of Judaism.  Such reckless disregard for the simple truth about wine proves that this abstinence crowd is not, not, not, following the genuine Christ of the NT.  They do not being honest, nor do they want to understand the Gospel correctly.  They are not saved.

Matt. 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Let all understand; the Gospel Story does not in any way teach or support abstinence, as the incompetent SDA’s and some others teach (Mormons, Baptists, etc).  Jesus has much to say about wine, and none of it supports the doctrine of abstinence.  Those foolish enough to insert Muslim based theology into the Gospel Story are incompetent fools and false shepherds.

How dare any denomination attempt to alter the history of the world and the teachings of Christ and the church by manipulation and doubletalk.  Shame on the SDA’s for being so wrong about so much.   They are as blind and naked as anyone else in Laodicea.  No wonder they are self-destructing.
How can those that refute what Christ teaches about wine think they are saved? Anyone that thinks Christ teaches abstinence, does not understand nor embrace the genuine NT Gospel.  They have been following a false Christ all these years.

The grape juice drinking, tithe-paying, Sabbath-keeping SDA Christ--is a fraud.  The genuine Christ drank and made real wine.  He never paid tithe or taught the Church to follow such an old covenant system; nor did He refrain from working on the seventh-day Sabbath, as the Adventist teach.  The SDA’s do not know the real Jesus, anymore than they know where to find the Pre-Advent Judgment, which is not in Dan 8:14 as they claim.

Rev. 3:17 ‘Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

Let all understand:  Abstinence is a great sin against God and heaven.  Abstinence is an insult to Christ; a slap to his face, a repudiation of the Gospel, and a clear refutation of the Bible Story.

Matt. 26:27 And when Jesus had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;

John 10:26 “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.

John 10:27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

Those who know Christ, will not embrace the false doctrine of abstinence.  They will gladly drink the cup of Eternal life, as instructed and practiced by Christ for all to see in the Gospels.

Those that follow a false Christ, drink grape juice instead of real wine, as if they were also trying to follow Mohammad.  They are blind to the genuine Gospel.  Their grape juice Jesus will not save them in the Judgment because there is no such fabricated Christ.  He is legalistic delusion.
John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind.”
Luke 6:40 “A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.

C.  19th century Protestants Invent False Doctrine; Abstinence

While the Roman Catholic Church and the Lutherans correctly use real wine in the Eucharist, some Nineteenth century Protestants concluded that non-alcoholic grape juice should replace alcoholic wine, which some considered sinful, leading to the scourge of alcoholism.  Thus a new doctrine of abstinence was introduced into Protestant theology and practice, one that was legalistic and very false.

Such a position about abstinence was only possible due to the recent discoveries of pasteurization, which Dr. Welch, a Methodist, used to invent, non-alcoholic, “sacramental wine.”  Here is the birth of false, Nineteenth century doctrine, which has become a fundamental teaching in a number of Protestant denominations, including the confused SDA’s.

New wine, new wineskins, New False Doctrine

Welch’s History

The Methodists were in the forefront of the new abstinence movement.  They linked the sin of slavery with the "manufacturing, buying, selling, or using intoxicating liquors."  The Temperance Movement supported this new Protestant doctrine that was sweeping the churches.  By the early Twentieth century, the debacle of Prohibition became the law in the US, reeking havoc and raising crime to such intolerable levels that repeal was necessary.

Prohibition was just another form of “blue laws,” whereby the church was soliciting help from the State to enforce false religious doctrine.  Here was a remarkably wrong blending of church and state that few SDA’s have recognized.  While many think Prohibition has it roots with the Puritans, this is not true, as they did not practice abstinence whatsoever.

See also:

Mark 7:6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

D.  SDA’s Embrace Abstinence

SDA theology has been greatly influenced by the Methodists and Baptists, especially when it comes to wine.  Because the SDA’s were so legalistic, trying to live without sin, they, too, quickly embraced the new abstinence movement.  Thus the SDA’s, like so many others in America, concluded that alcohol was “poison,” a sinful drink that Christ would never touch.  As a result, they, too, made the switch from real wine at communion to Welch’s sacramental, non-alcoholic wine.  And to this very day, this is what they serve for the LORD’S SUPPER.

Listen to Ellen White encourage SDA’s to live a life of “purity,” one “almost equal with angels.”  See her declare wine in the Bible is grape juice, AND THAT CHRIST WOULD NEVER DRINK REAL WINE.  This is what many others were also saying.

“There is but one standard of right in the world, and that is God’s standard. We are all virtually under equal obligations to meet that high standard; and God holds us alike responsible to him. Society may set up artificial differences and regulations but the fixed fact remains the same. Men require women to live up to a standard of purity almost equal with that of the angels, while they erect a standard of quite a different character for themselves.” {Ellen White, Health Reformer, July 1, 1878 par. 1}

“The Bible nowhere teaches the use of intoxicating wine, either as a beverage or as a symbol of the blood of Christ. We appeal to the natural reason whether the blood of Christ is better represented by the pure juice of the grape in its natural state, or after it has been converted into a fermented and intoxicating wine. We maintain that the former is the only symbol properly representing the sacred blood of Christ, and a symbol established by himself; and we urge that the latter should never be placed upon the Lord’s table.”
{Ellen White, HR, July 1, 1878 par. 10}

“Christ did not contradict His own teaching. The unfermented wine that He provided for the wedding guests was a wholesome and refreshing drink. This is the wine that was used by our Saviour and His disciples in the first Communion. It is the wine that should always be used on the Communion table as a symbol of the Saviour’s blood. The sacramental service is designed to be soul-refreshing and life-giving. There is to be connected with it nothing that could minister to evil. {MH 333.2}”

Although it is clear that the SDA’s embraced the new grape juice fad, it was false doctrine then, as well as now.  Ellen White is not an apostle, thus, no doctrine can be based on her views, much less on “natural reason.”  She was not a theologian, and she admits to making many errors, pointing all to the Word, which is the primary source of truth.

Ellen White did not invent her strong views on abstinence.  In fact, they were developed by non-SDA’s; promoted as theological truth and scientific fact.  Thus the Adventists embraced the Temperance theologians, adopting their abstinence views.

See also:
The SDA Scandal of Abstinence

Ellen White

Temperance Theologians

One of the leading theologians for the Abstinence/Temperance Movement was Frederic Lees:

“Believing both in the authority of Scripture and the scientific proof of alcohol's poisonous nature, Protestant theologians and exegetes tried to explain the Bible's positive use of the word wine, not least Jesus' command to his disciples to remember him by consuming it. Led by Biblical commentator Frederic Lees, they theorized that several Hebrew and Greek words used to mean wine in the Bible actually referred to grape juice. Jesus had instituted the Eucharist with the unfermented "fruit of the vine," whereas the ferment of intoxication represented "the leaven of the Pharisees," symbolizing corruption and decay.

In fact, as early as 1868, a Temperance Bible Commentary was published by Lees and Dawson, claiming that wine in the Bible was unfermented grape juice.  This dubious work, which is full of error, has been the basis for all those that embrace abstinence ever since.

The SDA’s today happily echo this outdated abstinence apologetic, which can be seen in the late Dr. B’s pathetic book promoting abstinence.   

Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D., Andrews University

Here is a correcting reply to Dr. B.  Many more could be cited:

Wine, Alcohol, and the Bible

The early SDA’s, not having any trained theologians, embraced the biblical double-talk and legalism about wine being grape juice.  And so too did many others, including the Methodists and Baptists.  See below.

“Southern Baptists meeting in session have called their brothers and sisters to live ―an exemplary Christian lifestyle of abstinence from beverage alcohol and all other harmful drugs‖ (1984);

To recognize alcohol as ―America‘s number one drug problem‖ (1982);

To ―reaffirm our historic position as opposing alcohol as a beverage‖ (1978); to view ―personal abstinence‖ as the ―Christian way‖ (1957);

To express their ―unceasing opposition to the manufacture, sale and use of alcoholic beverages‖ (1955);

To realize alcohol is a ―habit-forming and destructive poison‖ (1940) and the ―chief source of vice, crime, poverty and degradation‖ (1936);
and to ―reassert our truceless and uncompromising hostility to the manufacture, sale, importation and transportation of alcoholic beverages‖ (1896).”

Abstinence became new, 19th century (false) doctrine for many churches, and the SDA’s made the mistake of embracing this fad, for which they must repent.  Wine in the Bible is not grape juice.  Abstinence is not a Jewish or Christian doctrine, it comes from Islam, and then from the legalistic, 19th century Protestants that were trying to also enforce Sunday laws.

E. The Truth about Abstinence

The truth about wine in Judaism and Christianity must come from the ancient record.  It is not a matter of opinion, theological double-talk, or local tradition.  This is an issue that can only be resolved by understanding world history and NT theology, not by considering recent doctrines or the needs of society.

In other words, Gospel doctrine cannot be based on modern culture, much less on the principals of the Prohibition movement.  Only the teaching and example of Christ can determine doctrine for the church.  Whatever Jesus teaches on this topic, and all others, is truth for the church.
While all, especially the youth, need to understand the dangers of excess drinking, such danger cannot, under any circumstances, change the history of the world or the theological contents and definition of the Gospel.  Nor should false doctrines, such as abstinence, be allowed to contaminate the Gospel teachings of Christ, which alone defines salvation.

John 17:17 “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

While some may think this debate is of minor importance, and that it does not matter which view is adopted, this is false.  To misunderstand the meaning of wine in the Bible, is to misunderstand the Bible, as well as the Gospel teachings of Christ.

Get this ancient word wrong, thinking it is grape juice, and you will find yourself surrounded by additional false and delusional doctrines.  Such is the slippery slope of daring to tamper with the Bible to protect theological errors.

This issue about wine reveals if one is honest with the Word as well as with reality.  Many Christian denominations, like the SDA’s, are cultic and delusional.  They have become experts at manipulating the Bible to say what they want to hear.  All the while ignoring what they don’t like.  This is not the proper hermeneutic to find truth.  The Advent Movement was once based on the honest search for Gospel truth, but that is no longer policy or practice.

F.  Wine & Health

Many things in life can be very dangerous, not just alcohol.  In fact, eating too much processed food leads to obesity and all manner of health problems.  Is processed food sinful?

In the old covenant, the sin of “gluttony” was punishable by death.  Should everyone stop eating food because many abuse food today?  Such reasoning is absurd.   But yet, this is the reasoning used to prove wine evil and wrong, thus establishing abstinence.  But wine is not sinful and neither is any food or drink unclean.  Jesus teaches that all food and drink, including wine, are CLEAN.

Mark 7:14  After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand:
Mark 7:15 there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.
Mark 7:16 “If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”
Mark 7:17  When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable.
Mark 7:18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and 1is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
Col. 2:20  If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
Col. 2:21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”

This idea that wine is harmful to ones health or salvation is flat out wrong.  It is a fabricated point that is being dishonestly used as a scare tactic.  Wine is not sinful, much less a poison, far from it.  Today, science has confirmed that moderate drinking of wine IMPROVES HEALTH AND EXTENDS LIFE.  Studies prove over and over that those who drink wine are more healthy that those who abstain.  Period.

Let the physical truth about wine be understood by all, even as the spiritual truths about wine and the Gospel are also comprehended.  Wine is the drink of Eternal Life; it improves ones health, both physically and spiritually.  The abstinence crowd is wrong not only about wine, but about the Gospel and the teachings of Christ.   Let all beware such uneducated legalists.

Wine, used moderately, has proven health benefits, it:

1) Promotes Longevity
2) Reduces Heart-Attack Risk
3) Lowers Risk of Heart Disease
4) Reduces Risk of Type 2 Diabetes
5) Lowers Risk of Stroke
6) Cuts Risk of Cataracts
7) Cuts Risk of Colon Cancer
8) Slows Brain Decline

Health Benefits of Wine

See also:

Wine Boosts Your Brain

A recent study shows a boost in brain power for women who enjoy a little alcohol. The study, published in the Jan. 20 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, evaluated more than 12,000 women aged 70-81. Moderate drinkers scored better than teetotalers on tests of mental function. Researchers found a boost in brainpower with one drink a day. Moderate drinkers had a 23% reduced risk of mental decline compared with nondrinkers.

Preventing Breast Cancer- Red Wine

Regular consumption of most alcoholic drinks increases the risk of breast cancer. However, red wine intake has the opposite effect, researchers from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles found.In the Journal of Women's Health, the scientists explained that chemicals in the skins and seeds of red grapes reduce estrogen levels while raising testosterone in premenopausal women - which results in a lower risk of developing breast cancer.

The authors emphasized that it is not just the red wine that has the beneficial compounds, but its raw material - red grape. They suggested that when women are choosing an alcoholic drink to consume, they should consider red wine. They reiterated that they were not encouraging wine over grapes. The study surprised many researchers.

Most studies point to a higher risk of breast cancer from consuming alcoholic drinks, because alcohol raises a woman's estrogen levels, which in turn encourage the growth of cancer cells.Study co-author, Dr. Chrisandra Shufelt, MD, said: "If you were to have a glass of wine with dinner, you may want to consider a glass of red. Switching may shift your risk."

Red Wine Prevents Tooth Decay

Red wine, even non-alcoholic red wine, hardens your enamel to prevent tooth decay. Hardened enamel is more resistant to Streptococcus mutans, the bacteria which lives on your teeth and is responsible for tooth decay. The polyphenols in red wine can also prevent gum disease, and even help to treat it by reducing inflammation in the gums.

See also:
What are the benefits of wine?

G. Wine, the Drink of Eternal Life (don’t leave Earth without it!)

In addition to wine being beneficial for our physical health, it is also very necessary for Eternal Life.  It is the drink of choice by Christ to represent his blood, by which we are saved.  Who dares say otherwise and change the most sacred of all Christian rituals into a children’s juice drink?

When it comes to the genuine Christ and the authentic Eucharist, there can be no drink substituted in place of real wine, much less a processed, unnatural, manipulated drink that represents legalism and the teachings of Islam.  (Has the church lost its’mind?  Yes.)

Wine is hardly poison, as the abstinence crowd teaches, rather, it is the drink of Eternal Life.  Those who say otherwise, have repudiated Christ and the Gospel, even as they obey the teachings of Islam.  Such will not receive any physical or spiritual benefits, much less praise from Christ for embracing abstinence.  The abstinence crowd is being very foolish to try and blend Islam with the Christian Faith.  They have lost their minds.

John 8:31  So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

The doctrine of abstinence is poisonous doctrine for the blind and foolish.  Those that advocate abstinence are committing sin against Christ and his Gospel.  They may think they are more righteous, obedient, and pure than others, and that such legalism will gain them heaven, but they are only showing their fatal ignorance of the Bible and the Gospel teachings of Christ.  They have condemned others for following Christ and drinking wine; now they are self-condemned, blind to the Word and to the genuine Gospel and its’ featured drink.

Luke 6:40 “A  pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.

Matt. 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;

See also:

Wine in the Bible

The SDA Scandal of Abstinence

H. Tom Norris Refutes Doug Batchelor, Disproves Abstinence

Here is a rather long rebuttal to the SDA “study” about wine.  This dishonest and outrageous apologetic was written by Doug Batchelor, a legalist and confused Jew that misunderstands the Gospel in the worst way.   There is very little truth to what he and the SDA’s teach about wine or anything.
As if he were a Muslim, the confused Batchelor declares, “Alcohol is unholy and unclean.”  Then, as an SDA, he declares, “The church should never condone or allow that first step by teaching it’s permissible to drink a little wine.”

Wow!  This outrageous article (which is not a study, as claimed) should have been called “Amazing Myths.”  It could not be more incorrect, absurd, and wrong.  Doug Batchelor promotes Mohammad, not Christ.  He is an enemy of the Gospel.  He does not understand the Bible nor does he want to learn.  SDA doctrine today is shameful, and so too those wolves that defend and promote it.

The SDA’s are not only dishonest and wrong to support abstinence; they have a long list of other errors that include, tithe, the IJ, and even the doctrine of the Sabbath, which they do not fully or correctly understand.  So if one is wrong about wine, it means there are many others errors that also abound.
While Batchelor slams those that drink as shameful and wrong, it is the Adventists that belong in a denominational “Hall of Shame” because they have so much “amazing” error, of which wine is only a small part.  No one should support what the SDA’s teach about wine, the Sabbath, or much of anything else.  They do not know the Bible or the Gospel as they pretend.  Christ is a stranger to them.  They are a very dishonest and double-talking denomination, one that needs to repent and correct their many false doctrines.

The Christian and Alcohol
An Amazing Fact, by Doug Batchelor, a teacher of abstinence

The link below has the balance of this post, which is too long for the system.


1  Wine in the ancient world, and in the Bible, is alcoholic wine.  It is not grape juice, nor is it “unholy” or “unclean” in either Judaism or the Christian Faith as the SDA’s pretend.

2.  It is the Muslims that embrace the doctrine of Abstinence, not the church.  Islam teaches that wine and alcohol is “unclean and impure.” The foolish SDA’s have embraced the teachings of Islam, for which they must repent.

3.  Jesus does not teach abstinence; rather he commands all his followers to drink real wine in his name because it is the symbolic drink of Eternal Life.  Those that refuse, are rejecting the Gospel and disobeying Christ.

4.  The doctrine of abstinence is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ.  Jesus does not teach such a doctrine and those who think otherwise are following a false, worthless Christ. They are enemies of Christ, being indoctrinated by wolves in sheep’s clothing, like Doug Batchelor.  Let all the sheep beware.

5.  Abstinence was never a doctrine of the early church, or even in the Roman Catholic Church.  It is a 19th century Protestant doctrine made possible by the invention of pasteurized commercial grape juice by Thomas Welch.  This false doctrine, which was not embraced by either the RCC or the Lutherans, became a fad that swept through many churches, including the Temperance minded SDA’s.  (The reason the SDA’s backed away from the Temperance Movement was because they were also promoting Sunday laws.)

6.  Wine in moderation has proven to be healthful and life extending.  It is not bad, but good for the body and the soul.  Modern science proves that those who embrace abstinence do not live as long as moderate drinkers.  Nor, theologically speaking, will they be granted Eternal Life for their misreading of the Bible and following a false, wine hating Christ.

7. While many assume that drinking is a sin, it is the doctrine of abstinence that is actually blatant sin against the Gospel; a slap in the face of Christ and a refutation of what he teaches.  Those that follow this Muslim doctrine are promoting a false Christ with a worthless religion that is based on processed grape juice.  A drink that did not exist at the time of Christ.

Let all understand: according to Christ,---wine is the official drink of the Gospel.  It represents Jesus’ blood and our Eternal Life.  Let those who follow the genuine Christ drink real wine with praise and thanksgiving for their salvation.  Those that refuse are following Mohammad, not the Bible or Christ.

Matt. 26:26  While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”

Matt. 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;

Matt. 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Luke 22:17 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves;

Let everyone understand: Those that refuse to drink and “share” real wine with their fellow believers, will not be forgiven their sins, much less be given a place in the Kingdom of God, --a place where real wine will be served in the name of Christ.

Those SDA’s that have embraced a “grape juice Jesus” have made a fatal error. They are following a fraud.  They had better repent and run from those that are deceiving them about wine and many other doctrines.

It is time for the Adventist Community, as well as the rest of Laodicea, to repent of their many false doctrines and start following the genuine Christ of the Gospels. Only what Jesus teaches is doctrine for the church.  The real Jesus drinks real wine, so too do those that follow him.

I hope this helps those honestly trying to understand this Gospel issue.  As for the many wolves that abound, like Doug Batchelor, let all the sheep beware.

Matt. 26:27 And when Jesus had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;

Tom Norris for New Covenant Adventism & All Experts.Com

Seventh-Day Adventists

All Answers

Answers by Expert:

Ask Experts


Tom Norris


I can answer most any question about church history and theology, starting from 1818 when William Miller articulated the 1st Angels Message that became the foundation of the Adventist Movement. While this first prophetic message terminated in the spring of 1844, it was followed by what Adventists refer to as the 2nd Angels Message, which dates from the spring of 1844 until the great disappointment of October 22, 1844. By 1847, the 3rd Angels Message had been developed and this Sabbatarian theology represents the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Moreover, I can explain the historical and theological development of the SDA denomination from its beginning and on through the great Battle Creek schism that forced the SDA's to retreat to Takoma Park. Here the 20th century church recovered from their internal battles that had erupted at the 1888 General Conference in Minneapolis over the definition of the law and the Gospel. Fearing another repeat of this disaster, President Daniels, determined to hide this debate. However, this policy led to more conflict, especially over the role and authority of Ellen White, a unique and accomplished religious writer that had remarkable spiritual gifts. However, by the decade of the 1970`s, the church once again erupted into debate. The hierarchy settled the turmoil in 1980 with the trial of Dr. Desmond Ford at Glacier View. Here Dr. Ford was exiled because he supposedly disagreed with Ellen White over the Fundamentals. But this controversial action resulted in another major schism that is still in progress today.


Tom Norris was raised as a Seventh-day Adventist in Takoma Park, Md. He attended SDA grade and High schools, moving on to study Adventist theology at Columbia Union College. He also spent significant time conducting independent research in the General Conference Archives and the Ellen G. White Estate. Over the years he has also interviewed a number of prominent Adventist scholars, theologians, and Pastors ranging from the late Arthur White to the exiled Dr. Desmond Ford. In addition, he has amassed a large private library, which includes numerous rare books and manuscripts about Adventist theology and history. He is presently the online editor of Adventist Reform, and can be found at Adventist for Tomorrow answering questions online about SDA theology and history as well as promoting Adventist Reform.

Tom Norris attended SDA grade and High schools, moving on to study Adventist theology at Columbia Union College. He also spent significant time conducting independent research in the General Conference Archives and the Ellen G. White Estate.

©2017 All rights reserved.