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I have heard that the Papacy uprooted three horns, it removed three kingdoms.

Heruli 493AD
Vandals 534AD
Ostrogoths 538AD

Here is the problem if you look into history the Ostrogoths were not uprooted by year 538 but rather in 555AD.

I was told the third horn was actually the rugians, I also came across a web site that goes into much detail on the rugians been third horn. Here is the link

Go to part 5 in link above

Was Ellen White wrong or what is happening here? Did the papacy really uproot three horns?


I am no authority on civil history.  I can unequivocally state that the papal power *did* uproot three of the ten prophetic horns.  Why?  Because the Bible says so.  But, the Bible does not say which of the ten divisions of Rome would be uprooted and it does not give specific years to accomplish it so there can be some differences of opinion there.

So, no, I do not believe Ellen White was necessarily wrong.  She was simply giving her opinion based upon the research she had available to her at the time.  You see, it was not God that told her which of the ten tribes were uprooted so she was not speaking that information as a prophet -- but simply as a person who did the best she could with the available research of the time.

People make the mistake of thinking that Ellen White has to be correct in absolutely everything she says just because she was otherwise a prophet of God.  Well, even the Apostle Paul admitted that he sometimes spoke his own, personal opinions and not because he had special revelation from God.  People are humans, first.  We do the best we can.  We shouldn't go around trying to find fault with what people say or try to discount everything a person says just because they said something which doesn't seem to fit with what we think we know.

May God richly bless you in direct proportion to your desire to know, and to do, the full truth even as it is in Yehsh' haMshyach, Jesus Christ, The Messiah, our Lord, and our Saviour.  Awmane!


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I can answer most any question which is truly Bible-centric. I make this distinction because there is much which is considered biblical; but, which, is actually based only upon the traditions of men. However, I will also state this caveat: not all traditions are necessarily "bad" by definition. Otherwise, the subject about which I am passionate is The Law of God. There is much misconception in this area. In point of fact, I, myself, only woke up a bit over 10 years ago (2002) to what is truly meant by the Law of God and how that relates to Salvation. This, of course, is a touchy subject when you start mixing the Law of God with the subject of Salvation -- which, everyone should know, is a gift of God, by grace, through faith and not of works; lest any man should boast (Eph. 2:8,9). I am thankful that God the Holy Spirit has opened, and is opening, my eyes to these Truths.


I have taken Bible classes every year since the first grade through 4-year college level and study the Bible every week with others in Sabbath School. I have also continued studying the Bible, on my own, throughout my life -- particularly these last 10+ years. Therefore, I consider myself to have about 48+ years of both formal and informal Bible experience upon which to draw.

I am a current member in good and full standing with the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. I am also a level-7 member of Yahoo!Answers in the Religion & Spirituality group. Lastly, though not a related discipline, I am also a member at because of my professional standing as a computer programmer of more than 35 years.

"The Truth About the Law of God" by Dave L Clark I is a 298-page book available at Some of my writings may also be found on the following websites: << >>; << >>; and, << >>.

I have 3 years of formal college and a 4-year college equivalence degree in Information Technology. Otherwise, I am not formally credentialed in Bible doctrine or theology. However, when did God ever say that He only speaks to or through theologian-type or highly-placed sources?

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