Seventh-Day Adventists/Adventist vs. Christianity

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Sam wrote at 2007-07-13 18:03:08
Some of David R's exclusive claims for the SDA church are erroneous. Church of God Seventh Day and United Church of God teach the Biblical and scriptural 3 Angel's message and true Gospel of the Kingdom world-wide. They also know and teach who the anti-Christ is and what the mark is. Many SDAs are ignorant of other Sabbath keeping brethren of like doctrine. Some SDAs know very well of them and doctrines they hold in common with them but would rather pretend these teaching are exclusive to them or they know of no one else to perpetuate sole claims to being the one and only church that makes up the remnant spoken of in Revelations.


JM wrote at 2007-07-23 23:07:05
Kyle,



I can not go into great detail at this time, but I was raised in the Adventist church, and it is considered a Christian cult.  I was led out of their false doctrine that is, in fact, developed by their false profit Ellen White.  I would recommend the book  White Lie by former SDA pastor Walter Rea.  I am from a large family of SDA's and have prayed and shared with many family members to get them out of this organization.


Truthseeker wrote at 2007-09-26 00:17:33
Hi.  I just wanted to add to the part that said any Christian church that is not Roman Catholic is by definition Protestant.  That is almost true but not entirely.  For example, the Orthodox Christian Churches (Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox and the like) are not Protestants. They separated away from the Catholics at a much earlier time and for different reasons than the Protestants did.  They are very ancient churches.  Also, you could really say that Mormons are a branch unto themselves, different enough that instead of being Protestants they are their own branch in a way.  But I would agree that Adventists are Protestant, just not as traditional in some doctrines as the mainline denominations.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


My fathers daughter wrote at 2008-03-31 00:18:14
Just a few comments:

1: I would personally reccomend you avoid beginning a realtionship with an adventist being a protestant. I am a protestant and married and adventist thinking, "how much does denominationalism matter? we are both christians and that is what is important.' Our divorce is almost final. there is a very big difference. I am not saying many adventists may not very well be christin, lovers of Christ and attempting to follow them. God alone judges the heart of a man. I do, however completely agree they are a form of a cult, placing too much emphasis on Ellen G White, who is proven to be a false prophet; that they have placed them selves once again in bondage that Christ never intended for us. They also put down "sunday goers" as they call them, and believe they are far superior to other Christian churches. They teach their version of theology concerning end time events, and altho right in some areas are also very wrong in others.



2) Protestants do not believe that our soul zips off to heaven where we view a movie of our life and then get judged as to where we will go. We believe that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are definatley going to Heaven because of His Love, Grace, and sacrifice on our behalf. The only judgement the believer hs to go through is the judgement of his works in order to recieve or lose rewards. Our salvation and where we wil spend eternity is not in question. Also, does it really matter if we "sleep" until he returns, or if we go there right away? The point is, when we accept Christ as savior, we are saved for eternity and know where we will spend it.


Rhonda wrote at 2008-06-24 04:02:52
I'm sorry, the Roman Catholic Church is NOT a cult! I am Roman Catholic and I take GREAT offence to this! We do NOT worship the pope, he is simply somebody God called to represent the church and keep things from getting out of hand. He doesn't dictate the church. He doesn't tell people to bow before him and kiss his feet. People just do it because he is a representation of Jesus Christ. Not Christ himself. And yeah, he does tell people to worship, worship Christ that is because you should!


Irene wrote at 2008-11-09 17:41:26
Kyle or whomever come across this person's answer, please continue to do your own research because Ellen G. White IS a MAJOR part of this religion. It really goes back to the Millerites who were led by William Miller and tried to predict the second coming of Christ to be Oct 22, 1844. When this did not happen people of course were disappointed and left out in the cold in disillusion when another leader came out of nowhere and said that he had a vision that Jesus had to go to an apartment in the sanctuary to do more cleansing before He can return. This is how the religion took off. All in all Daniel 8:14 was misinterpreted.


EJM wrote at 2010-05-18 23:22:07
This is a great website that has an unbiased description of the Adventist movement.

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/denominations/seventh_day_adventist.ht


openedminded wrote at 2010-09-18 15:34:47
The Pope of the Roman Catholic Church is not a representive of Jesus Christ He is a representive of St. Peter( who was directed by jesus christ to build a church).

David R. jst the way you are so closed mind and disrepective of all other religions without complete knowledge proves that the Seventh Day adventist church is to some degree a Cult.

it is both a cult and a true branch of christianity. Just as the mormons have different sects of their religion (those who follow believe in polygamy and those who don't) the Seventh day adventist church has the sects as well. (you have people like yourself who put down other churches and rudely shove your ideals down others throats, as well as discriminate against people who are not of you religion. As well as people who are poliet normal people of society who just believe in the seventh day adventist teachings.


Saved by Grace alone wrote at 2010-10-02 01:04:41
Please read only the Bible and  ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and reveal the truth.

I'm praying for you.


revive wrote at 2011-03-19 00:21:26
Here is an answer from someone who is NOT an Adventist,... Although the 'Christian' label is used by many, it really comes down to whether or not your beliefs, actions and heart follow the Word of God, or someones perversion of it. Adventist's, although seemingly closely related with Christians,. are not Christians. That can be easily understood by the simply fact that their doctrine contradicts Jesus Christs own words (about the gift of salvation)!.. read on:



Organization Structure: Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Organized as representative democracy. Lower echelons elect representatives to higher units; determination and administration of policy, enforcement of doctrinal orthodoxy, imposed from top down. President, and Executive Committee of General Conference are standing chief administrative offices. Lower administrative units are the General Conference, Divisions (over continents), Union Conferences, local Conferences, and congregations. Several small Universities and Colleges and numerous well respected hospitals are maintained worldwide.



Unique Terms: “Investigative Judgement,” “Spirit of Prophecy,” “Coming into the Truth” (believing and living the full SDA message and lifestyle), “Remnant Church.”



History

The world was predicted to end in 1844 with the Second Coming of Christ, by William Miller, a New England Baptist itinerant preacher. Miller's followers condemned all the churches of the day as apostate and “Babylon,” and warned Christians to come out of them. A great many did, and the “adventist” movement was born and grew rapidly (Melton, J. Gordon, Encyclopedia of American Religions, Vol. 2, pp. 21–22).

Christ did not appear in 1844. After this “Great Disappointment,” one “little flock” still insisted the date of their original predictions had been correct. They decided the event marked by 1844 was not the Second Coming, but the entrance of Christ into the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Sanctuary. There, they said, He began the “Investigative Judgement.” This doctrine was received and endorsed by Ellen G. White (Ibid., p. 680).



From 1844 to 1851 the group taught the “shut door” doctrine, based on Jesus’ parable of the ten virgins. Anyone who had not accepted the Adventist message by the time Jesus entered the Holy of Holies was to be shut out permanently, as were the five foolish virgins. Cut off from the Bridegroom, they could not join the Adventists or have any hope of eternal life. Ellen White not only approved and taught this doctrine, but her first vision experience was largely responsible for its being received by the Adventist group (Brinsmead, Robert, D., Judged by the Gospel: A Review of Adventism, pp. 130–33).



By 1846 the group had adopted the Seventh-day Baptists’ view that the Saturday Sabbath must be observed by Christians. A highly elevated form of this doctrine, together with the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment, became the hallmarks of Seventh-day Adventism. In 1850 James and Ellen White began publishing a magazine, The Review & Herald, to disseminate adventist and sabbatarian doctrines. This helped many of the remaining “Millerites” to coalesce into a distinctive body which adopted the name of Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1860, and formally incorporated in 1863, with approximately 3,500 members in 125 congregations (Encyclopedia of American Religion, Vol. 2, p. 681).



Ellen White never held official title as the head of the church, but was one of its founders and acknowledged spiritual leader. She rather disingenuously declined to claim the title of “prophet,” calling herself a “messenger” instead (Damsteegt, P.G., et. al., Seventh-day Adventists Believe. . ., p. 224). But she claimed to have the “spirit of prophecy,” and that her messages were direct from God for the guidance and instruction of the church. With her knowledge and consent others called her a prophet, and even “the Spirit of Prophecy” (Barnett, Maurice, Ellen G. White & Inspiration, pp. 5–17). Having only a third grade education, Ellen White said for years she was unable to read, bolstering the claim that her beautiful prose was inspired by God. However, it has been discovered that she not only read, but plagiarized other Christian authors throughout virtually all her writings. The sad facts of this matter have been thoroughly and indisputably established in several books. (e.g., see; Rea, Walter, The White Lie; and Judged by the Gospel, pp. 361–83). Ellen White died in 1915 at age eighty-eight.



Historically, evangelicals have had difficulty defining and categorizing SDA. Much SDA doctrine is biblically orthodox. Within its ranks are many true Christians, some even in positions of prominence. At various points in its history, most notably in the 1888 General Conference, the SDA church has been shaken by the biblical gospel. In the 1970s this became quite intense (Se: Paxton, Geoffrey, J., The Shaking of Adventism). Unfortunately, it produced a polarization. The church administrators generally became more entrenched in the unorthodox positions of traditional SDA, while some pastors and even whole congregations left or were asked to leave the SDA church (“From Controversy to Crisis,” CRI Journal, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp. 9–14). In official publications the SDA church continues to defend Ellen White legends, and maintain there was no difference in the degree of inspiration she received from that received by Bible writers (Review & Herald, 4 October 1928, p. 11; “Source of Final Appeal,” Adventist Review, 3 June 1971, pp. 4–6; G. A. Irwin, Mark of the Beast, p. 1; “The Inspiration and Authority of the Ellen G. White Writings,” Adventist Review, 15 July 1982, p. 3; Ministry, October 1981, p. 8; see also, Judged by the Gospel, pp. 125–30). In their June, 2000, General Conference they voted to more aggressively affirm and support the “Spirit of Prophecy through the ministry of Ellen White”(Adventist Today, [online: July 2000] ). They also teach a number of other doctrines clearly irreconcilable with the biblical gospel (see “Doctrine,” below). So long as these things continue, evangelicals must persist in questioning the status of the SDA church organization in Christianity, and much more, her claim to be God’s only true, end-time “Remnant Church.”



Doctrine

SDA teachings most clearly contrary to the gospel and unorthodox in nature are its insistence on water baptism as an essential prerequisite to salvation, its teaching about the end time significance of sabbath observance to identification of true believers, and its doctrine of the Investigative Judgement.

Baptism: “…Christ made it clear that He required baptism of those who wished to become part of his church, His spiritual kingdom.” “In baptism believers enter into the passion experience of our Lord.” “…[B]aptism also marks [a] person’s entrance into Christ’s spiritual kingdom.…it unites the new believer to Christ.… Through baptism the Lord adds the new disciples to the body of believers — His body, the church.… Then they are members of God’s family” (SDA’s Believe…, pp. 182, 184, 187).



The Sabbath: “…[T]he divine institution of the Sabbath is to be restored… The delivering of this message will precipitate a conflict that will involve the whole world. The central issue will be obedience to God's law and the observance of the Sabbath.…Those who reject it will eventually receive the mark of the beast” (Ibid., pp. 262–63).



In one of her most revered works, Ellen White wrote that Sabbath observance would be the “line of distinction” in the “final test” that will separate God’s end-time people who “receive the seal of God” and are saved, from those who “receive the mark of the beast” (The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan, p. 605).



Describing a supposed vision direct from God, Ellen White wrote, “I saw that the Holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers” (Early Writings, p. 33; emphasis added). She also wrote of some Adventists failing to understand that “Sabbath… observance was of sufficient importance to draw a line between the people of God and unbelievers” (Ibid., p. 85).



The Investigative Judgement: “In 1844…[Christ] entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgement which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin… It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgement vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom” (SDA’s Believe…, p. 312; emphasis added).



“…[O]ur High Priest enters the holy of holies [in 1844]…to perform the work of investigative judgement and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits… Every man’s work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness… The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgement… As the books of record are opened in the judgement, the lives of all those who have believed on Jesus come in review before God… Names are accepted, names rejected… as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life… Jesus does not excuse their sins, but shows their penitence and faith, and, claiming for them forgiveness, He lifts His wounded hands before the Father… Sins that have not been repented of and forsaken will not be pardoned and blotted out of the books of record, but will stand to witness against the sinner… [Christ] had kept His Father’s commandments, and there was no sin in Him… this is the condition in which those must be found who shall stand in the time of trouble” (Great Controversy, pp. 480, 482–84, 486, 623).



According to Ellen White one must believe this doctrine to be saved. “Those who would share the benefits of the Savior’s mediation should permit nothing to interfere with their duty to perfect holiness in the fear of God… The subject of the sanctuary and the investigative judgement should be clearly understood by the people of God. All need a knowledge for themselves of the position [in the Holy of Holies] and work [investigative judgement] of their great High Priest. Otherwise it will be impossible for them to exercise the faith which is essential at this time or to occupy the position which God designs for them to fill. Every individual has a soul to save or to lose. Each has a case pending at the bar of God… All who have received the light on these subjects are to bear testimony of the great truths which God has committed to them. The sanctuary in heaven is the very center of Christ’s work in behalf of men… It is of the utmost importance that all should thoroughly investigate these subjects… The intercession of Christ in man’s behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon a cross. By His death He began that work which after his resurrection He ascended to complete in Heaven” (Ibid., pp. 488–89; emphasis added).



Other distinctive SDA teachings include vegetarianism and other “health” issues; the doctrine of “soul sleep,” a misnomer for the belief that between death and resurrection one is essentially non-existent except in the memory of God; the annihilation of the wicked (as opposed to conscious torment for eternity).



Biblical Response

Baptism: Rom. 3:21–26, 28; 4:4–6, 23–24; 5:1; Gal. 2:16; 3:26; 5:1–6; Eph. 2:4–10; Col. 1:13–14; 2:13–14. These passages make it clear that salvation is entirely by God’s grace alone, apart from any works, and laid hold of by faith alone. Baptism is mentioned in close proximity to some of these passages, but the New Testament uses the word baptism in various ways. Clearly, the “one baptism” (Eph. 4:4–5) that is essential is the baptism of the Spirit. If a passage makes baptism essential to salvation it can only refer to the baptism of the Spirit, or it would conflict with other Scriptures which plainly teach salvation is apart from any human work.



The Sabbath: The quoted statements above, particularly Ellen White’s, are crystal clear. Sabbath observance, not trust in Christ alone for complete forgiveness of sins and eternal life, is to be the dividing line between the saved and the lost in the end time. This is certainly antithetical to the gospel defined by the passages above. See also, Rom. 14:5–6; Col. 2:16–17. The Old Testament Sabbath was never anything more than a shadow of the substance. The reality of the New Testament Sabbath rest of God, which Paul and the writer of Hebrews make clear, is Christ Himself, and the rest one experiences from one’s own works when one enters into Christ (Heb. 4:1–10).



The Investigative Judgement: the whole concept of the investigative judgement is antithetical to the Gospel. Jesus did not wait until 1844 to enter the Holy of Holies in heaven (Heb. 1:3; 6:19–20; 8:1; 9:6–12, 24; 12:2). Neither is he still making an atonement in heaven (Heb. 9:25–26; 10:11–14). The investigative judgement proposes to “vindicate the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus,” by showing they were “loyal,” “penitent,” and “faithful” commandment keepers. This is an outrage. God’s justice in saving sinners is vindicated by Christ’s death on the cross, period (Rom. 3:24–26).



Even when speaking of being saved by the righteousness of Christ, Adventist writers refer to imparted righteousness, seldom to the biblical concept of imputed righteousness. Calling it “Christ’s righteousness,” while insisting on the believer’s perfection of character as a prerequisite to salvation, is at worst a thinly veiled works salvation, or at best an attempt to mix grace and works, something the Bible says is impossible to do (Rom. 11:6). Mrs. Whites words are crystal clear—one will not be forgiven until all sins are eradicated from one’s life and one’s character is perfected. Precisely the same heresy is found (besides many others) in Mormonism. It is not the salvation by grace alone through faith alone offered in the Bible.



The error is compounded by the teaching that this latter day 1844 event must be believed in to exercise the proper faith necessary to be saved. When Jesus said on the cross, “It is finished,” i.e. completed, paid in full, it cannot be that there is yet another salvation event more than 1800 years later, just as essential to salvation as Christ’s death on the cross, in which one must believe in order to be saved. This is clearly “another gospel” (Gal. 1:6–9).



Other doctrines: Some of the SDA health message may actually be helpful, and it does not conflict with the gospel except when, as is often the case, spiritual stigma is attached to non-observance of its asceticism (Gal. 2:11-16). The soul-sleep doctrine conflicts with the gospel because, closely examined and fully understood, it actually constitutes a denial of the resurrection (though it is doubtful any SDA understands it to be so). Notwithstanding a smattering of “proof-texts,” the annihilation doctrine is definitely aberrant from the teaching of the Bible. It leaves the sinner facing no eternal consequences for his sin; angst over annihilation will not survive annihilation. Indeed, many people today think annihilation preferable to even this life. They live on only because they cannot shake the conviction that there is “hell to pay.” God has set eternity in their hearts (Eccl. 3:11).  


revive wrote at 2011-03-19 00:22:07
Here is an answer from someone who is NOT an Adventist,... Although the 'Christian' label is used by many, it really comes down to whether or not your beliefs, actions and heart follow the Word of God, or someones perversion of it. Adventist's, although seemingly closely related with Christians,. are not Christians. That can be easily understood by the simply fact that their doctrine contradicts Jesus Christs own words (about the gift of salvation)!.. read on:



Organization Structure: Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Organized as representative democracy. Lower echelons elect representatives to higher units; determination and administration of policy, enforcement of doctrinal orthodoxy, imposed from top down. President, and Executive Committee of General Conference are standing chief administrative offices. Lower administrative units are the General Conference, Divisions (over continents), Union Conferences, local Conferences, and congregations. Several small Universities and Colleges and numerous well respected hospitals are maintained worldwide.



Unique Terms: “Investigative Judgement,” “Spirit of Prophecy,” “Coming into the Truth” (believing and living the full SDA message and lifestyle), “Remnant Church.”



History

The world was predicted to end in 1844 with the Second Coming of Christ, by William Miller, a New England Baptist itinerant preacher. Miller's followers condemned all the churches of the day as apostate and “Babylon,” and warned Christians to come out of them. A great many did, and the “adventist” movement was born and grew rapidly (Melton, J. Gordon, Encyclopedia of American Religions, Vol. 2, pp. 21–22).

Christ did not appear in 1844. After this “Great Disappointment,” one “little flock” still insisted the date of their original predictions had been correct. They decided the event marked by 1844 was not the Second Coming, but the entrance of Christ into the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Sanctuary. There, they said, He began the “Investigative Judgement.” This doctrine was received and endorsed by Ellen G. White (Ibid., p. 680).



From 1844 to 1851 the group taught the “shut door” doctrine, based on Jesus’ parable of the ten virgins. Anyone who had not accepted the Adventist message by the time Jesus entered the Holy of Holies was to be shut out permanently, as were the five foolish virgins. Cut off from the Bridegroom, they could not join the Adventists or have any hope of eternal life. Ellen White not only approved and taught this doctrine, but her first vision experience was largely responsible for its being received by the Adventist group (Brinsmead, Robert, D., Judged by the Gospel: A Review of Adventism, pp. 130–33).



By 1846 the group had adopted the Seventh-day Baptists’ view that the Saturday Sabbath must be observed by Christians. A highly elevated form of this doctrine, together with the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment, became the hallmarks of Seventh-day Adventism. In 1850 James and Ellen White began publishing a magazine, The Review & Herald, to disseminate adventist and sabbatarian doctrines. This helped many of the remaining “Millerites” to coalesce into a distinctive body which adopted the name of Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1860, and formally incorporated in 1863, with approximately 3,500 members in 125 congregations (Encyclopedia of American Religion, Vol. 2, p. 681).



Ellen White never held official title as the head of the church, but was one of its founders and acknowledged spiritual leader. She rather disingenuously declined to claim the title of “prophet,” calling herself a “messenger” instead (Damsteegt, P.G., et. al., Seventh-day Adventists Believe. . ., p. 224). But she claimed to have the “spirit of prophecy,” and that her messages were direct from God for the guidance and instruction of the church. With her knowledge and consent others called her a prophet, and even “the Spirit of Prophecy” (Barnett, Maurice, Ellen G. White & Inspiration, pp. 5–17). Having only a third grade education, Ellen White said for years she was unable to read, bolstering the claim that her beautiful prose was inspired by God. However, it has been discovered that she not only read, but plagiarized other Christian authors throughout virtually all her writings. The sad facts of this matter have been thoroughly and indisputably established in several books. (e.g., see; Rea, Walter, The White Lie; and Judged by the Gospel, pp. 361–83). Ellen White died in 1915 at age eighty-eight.



Historically, evangelicals have had difficulty defining and categorizing SDA. Much SDA doctrine is biblically orthodox. Within its ranks are many true Christians, some even in positions of prominence. At various points in its history, most notably in the 1888 General Conference, the SDA church has been shaken by the biblical gospel. In the 1970s this became quite intense (Se: Paxton, Geoffrey, J., The Shaking of Adventism). Unfortunately, it produced a polarization. The church administrators generally became more entrenched in the unorthodox positions of traditional SDA, while some pastors and even whole congregations left or were asked to leave the SDA church (“From Controversy to Crisis,” CRI Journal, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp. 9–14). In official publications the SDA church continues to defend Ellen White legends, and maintain there was no difference in the degree of inspiration she received from that received by Bible writers (Review & Herald, 4 October 1928, p. 11; “Source of Final Appeal,” Adventist Review, 3 June 1971, pp. 4–6; G. A. Irwin, Mark of the Beast, p. 1; “The Inspiration and Authority of the Ellen G. White Writings,” Adventist Review, 15 July 1982, p. 3; Ministry, October 1981, p. 8; see also, Judged by the Gospel, pp. 125–30). In their June, 2000, General Conference they voted to more aggressively affirm and support the “Spirit of Prophecy through the ministry of Ellen White”(Adventist Today, [online: July 2000] ). They also teach a number of other doctrines clearly irreconcilable with the biblical gospel (see “Doctrine,” below). So long as these things continue, evangelicals must persist in questioning the status of the SDA church organization in Christianity, and much more, her claim to be God’s only true, end-time “Remnant Church.”



Doctrine

SDA teachings most clearly contrary to the gospel and unorthodox in nature are its insistence on water baptism as an essential prerequisite to salvation, its teaching about the end time significance of sabbath observance to identification of true believers, and its doctrine of the Investigative Judgement.

Baptism: “…Christ made it clear that He required baptism of those who wished to become part of his church, His spiritual kingdom.” “In baptism believers enter into the passion experience of our Lord.” “…[B]aptism also marks [a] person’s entrance into Christ’s spiritual kingdom.…it unites the new believer to Christ.… Through baptism the Lord adds the new disciples to the body of believers — His body, the church.… Then they are members of God’s family” (SDA’s Believe…, pp. 182, 184, 187).



The Sabbath: “…[T]he divine institution of the Sabbath is to be restored… The delivering of this message will precipitate a conflict that will involve the whole world. The central issue will be obedience to God's law and the observance of the Sabbath.…Those who reject it will eventually receive the mark of the beast” (Ibid., pp. 262–63).



In one of her most revered works, Ellen White wrote that Sabbath observance would be the “line of distinction” in the “final test” that will separate God’s end-time people who “receive the seal of God” and are saved, from those who “receive the mark of the beast” (The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan, p. 605).



Describing a supposed vision direct from God, Ellen White wrote, “I saw that the Holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers” (Early Writings, p. 33; emphasis added). She also wrote of some Adventists failing to understand that “Sabbath… observance was of sufficient importance to draw a line between the people of God and unbelievers” (Ibid., p. 85).



The Investigative Judgement: “In 1844…[Christ] entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgement which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin… It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgement vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom” (SDA’s Believe…, p. 312; emphasis added).



“…[O]ur High Priest enters the holy of holies [in 1844]…to perform the work of investigative judgement and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits… Every man’s work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness… The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgement… As the books of record are opened in the judgement, the lives of all those who have believed on Jesus come in review before God… Names are accepted, names rejected… as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life… Jesus does not excuse their sins, but shows their penitence and faith, and, claiming for them forgiveness, He lifts His wounded hands before the Father… Sins that have not been repented of and forsaken will not be pardoned and blotted out of the books of record, but will stand to witness against the sinner… [Christ] had kept His Father’s commandments, and there was no sin in Him… this is the condition in which those must be found who shall stand in the time of trouble” (Great Controversy, pp. 480, 482–84, 486, 623).



According to Ellen White one must believe this doctrine to be saved. “Those who would share the benefits of the Savior’s mediation should permit nothing to interfere with their duty to perfect holiness in the fear of God… The subject of the sanctuary and the investigative judgement should be clearly understood by the people of God. All need a knowledge for themselves of the position [in the Holy of Holies] and work [investigative judgement] of their great High Priest. Otherwise it will be impossible for them to exercise the faith which is essential at this time or to occupy the position which God designs for them to fill. Every individual has a soul to save or to lose. Each has a case pending at the bar of God… All who have received the light on these subjects are to bear testimony of the great truths which God has committed to them. The sanctuary in heaven is the very center of Christ’s work in behalf of men… It is of the utmost importance that all should thoroughly investigate these subjects… The intercession of Christ in man’s behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon a cross. By His death He began that work which after his resurrection He ascended to complete in Heaven” (Ibid., pp. 488–89; emphasis added).



Other distinctive SDA teachings include vegetarianism and other “health” issues; the doctrine of “soul sleep,” a misnomer for the belief that between death and resurrection one is essentially non-existent except in the memory of God; the annihilation of the wicked (as opposed to conscious torment for eternity).



Biblical Response

Baptism: Rom. 3:21–26, 28; 4:4–6, 23–24; 5:1; Gal. 2:16; 3:26; 5:1–6; Eph. 2:4–10; Col. 1:13–14; 2:13–14. These passages make it clear that salvation is entirely by God’s grace alone, apart from any works, and laid hold of by faith alone. Baptism is mentioned in close proximity to some of these passages, but the New Testament uses the word baptism in various ways. Clearly, the “one baptism” (Eph. 4:4–5) that is essential is the baptism of the Spirit. If a passage makes baptism essential to salvation it can only refer to the baptism of the Spirit, or it would conflict with other Scriptures which plainly teach salvation is apart from any human work.



The Sabbath: The quoted statements above, particularly Ellen White’s, are crystal clear. Sabbath observance, not trust in Christ alone for complete forgiveness of sins and eternal life, is to be the dividing line between the saved and the lost in the end time. This is certainly antithetical to the gospel defined by the passages above. See also, Rom. 14:5–6; Col. 2:16–17. The Old Testament Sabbath was never anything more than a shadow of the substance. The reality of the New Testament Sabbath rest of God, which Paul and the writer of Hebrews make clear, is Christ Himself, and the rest one experiences from one’s own works when one enters into Christ (Heb. 4:1–10).



The Investigative Judgement: the whole concept of the investigative judgement is antithetical to the Gospel. Jesus did not wait until 1844 to enter the Holy of Holies in heaven (Heb. 1:3; 6:19–20; 8:1; 9:6–12, 24; 12:2). Neither is he still making an atonement in heaven (Heb. 9:25–26; 10:11–14). The investigative judgement proposes to “vindicate the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus,” by showing they were “loyal,” “penitent,” and “faithful” commandment keepers. This is an outrage. God’s justice in saving sinners is vindicated by Christ’s death on the cross, period (Rom. 3:24–26).



Even when speaking of being saved by the righteousness of Christ, Adventist writers refer to imparted righteousness, seldom to the biblical concept of imputed righteousness. Calling it “Christ’s righteousness,” while insisting on the believer’s perfection of character as a prerequisite to salvation, is at worst a thinly veiled works salvation, or at best an attempt to mix grace and works, something the Bible says is impossible to do (Rom. 11:6). Mrs. Whites words are crystal clear—one will not be forgiven until all sins are eradicated from one’s life and one’s character is perfected. Precisely the same heresy is found (besides many others) in Mormonism. It is not the salvation by grace alone through faith alone offered in the Bible.



The error is compounded by the teaching that this latter day 1844 event must be believed in to exercise the proper faith necessary to be saved. When Jesus said on the cross, “It is finished,” i.e. completed, paid in full, it cannot be that there is yet another salvation event more than 1800 years later, just as essential to salvation as Christ’s death on the cross, in which one must believe in order to be saved. This is clearly “another gospel” (Gal. 1:6–9).



Other doctrines: Some of the SDA health message may actually be helpful, and it does not conflict with the gospel except when, as is often the case, spiritual stigma is attached to non-observance of its asceticism (Gal. 2:11-16). The soul-sleep doctrine conflicts with the gospel because, closely examined and fully understood, it actually constitutes a denial of the resurrection (though it is doubtful any SDA understands it to be so). Notwithstanding a smattering of “proof-texts,” the annihilation doctrine is definitely aberrant from the teaching of the Bible. It leaves the sinner facing no eternal consequences for his sin; angst over annihilation will not survive annihilation. Indeed, many people today think annihilation preferable to even this life. They live on only because they cannot shake the conviction that there is “hell to pay.” God has set eternity in their hearts (Eccl. 3:11).  


otchmama wrote at 2012-01-05 02:56:07
LDS (Mormons) consider themselves Christian but they are not Protestants, so just a clarification there.  


Rolf Vaessen wrote at 2012-03-09 09:20:27
Seventh-day Adventist beliefs versus Christianity is a misnomer unless we are differentiating biblical Christianity with todays apostate and fallen Christianity that the Bible terms 'fallen Babylon'. I have come from another church to Adventism but not because of a girl. My testimony you can read on www.RolfVaessen.com and I have a website explaining more about Adventists www.come2jesus.info/adventism.htm which explains more for which there isn't enough room here. Rolf Vaessen


Kevin wrote at 2012-05-23 00:05:23
Sorry David, but I am not sure some of your facts are correct.

"But the real bottom line is this church (Seventh-day Adventist) is the ONLY church in the world that is preaching the whole gospel as found in the Three Angels' Message of Revelation 14:6-12 (please read these verses).

Now compare what Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 with Revelation 14:6. It's the same 'Everlasting Gospel". There is no other church on planet earth that is preaching this. Ask any Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Lutheran, etc... who the Beast (Antichrist) is, or what the Mark of the Beast is...they can't tell you...they have no clue. Some may say, he's a man that is coming in the future sometime. SDA's know, preach and teach who the Antichrist and what his Mark is. Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Lutheran they all say that were wrong, that's not it...but yet they cannot tell us what it is...but yet they think they know we're wrong."



That is not true at all, perhaps the people you spoken with in the past were babies in Christ.



Please don't get me wrong... I am not attacking anybody or denomination, we all get misinformed at times.


amaaze wrote at 2013-03-07 18:57:43
To add a couple things to this q&a (I'm a non-denominational christian):



1. God is not a god of confusion. If you ever feel confused about anything, it is not of God.

2. As followers (not fans) of Christ, and with our Faith in The Word, it is wrong for us to talk down upon another religion or denomination (no matter how clear it may be that they're wrong). We pray & trust in God that He will give the blind the ability to see. We don't always have to be right, as that shows arrogance, and arrogance, again, is not of God.

3. In the end, we all pray to the same God, even non-Christians. There is only ONE God, and even if you call him something else, He's still OUR God, the ONE God :o)

4. So, I could have an opinion about all this, but if my opinion does not line up with THE WORD, the it's one I shouldn't express. My PERSONAL feelings are irrelevant, as we are a part of this world, NOT of this world.

God Bless You!  


Agwata Ototo wrote at 2013-10-10 10:38:51
I know we have lived in a lot of ignorance, why do we resist knowledge? my friends it is either we accept the truth as it is in the Bible or surve the devil there are no two ways to Heaven read and understand Hellen G. White~s writings before you hastly judge. If you think you are right the church historyand why there was protestantism. It is unfortunate that we call ourselves Christian but we do findout the source of Sunday worship. Read know the truth and the truth will set you free. If surve the man of sin let~s not pretend to be ignorant. Brother David this message has to go to all the World before the second advent of Christ. KEEP THE FIRE BURNING.


Mxolisi Sithebe wrote at 2013-11-27 02:24:39
I just want to clarify on a point that people like to say as long as we are Christian we are going to one place. If my God say my people must keep Sabbath holy and yours say keep Sunday holy, it means our God are not the same ,so we are not going to same place.  


Mxolisi Sithebe wrote at 2013-11-27 02:24:39
I just want to clarify on a point that people like to say as long as we are Christian we are going to one place. If my God say my people must keep Sabbath holy and yours say keep Sunday holy, it means our God are not the same ,so we are not going to same place.  


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I am able to answer any question concerning the 27 fundamental doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist church. I am also able to answer more complex topics of the Bible such as the 144,000, difficult texts concerning the Two Covenants, law & grace, creationism vs. evolution, the Sabbath vs. Sunday controversy as well as many others.

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I was raised a Methodist and converted to the Seventh-day Adventist church in 1991 after hearing about the Sabbath and the prophecies of Daniel chapter 7. I search to learn and study everything. I look for deeper meaning and issues in the Bible that many Adventist seem not to discuss. I am an avid reader and student of the Bible. I have approximately 400 books and countless cds and videos pertaining to religion. I look forward to answering your questions on any subject

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