Seventh-Day Adventists/Ellen White and endtime prediction
Elunion wrote at 2011-01-08 01:26:38
Hi,you forget one thing in all your discourse,to discriminate Hellen G White, and call her a false profet.God time frame and your's is not the same."God said he shall cut time short for the elects sake" Read it in Matthew 24:22.So if the lord can cut the time short, and he did.He can also makes things happened before time and after time.For he is the Lord, and no man can asked him, what are you doing, or why you did that this way?The words then, and after in the bible, means it is coming,it will comes to pass.But only in God time frame .So, when you read Hellen G white prophecy, you are asking why thins happened, before and after the time you think it should happened?hey,goes to ask the Lord why,He did it like that?For he said he cut those days shotr.It does not make any difference of how big the earthquake of Lisbon was,how many people who die in it,or how many stars wish falls out of heaven,how often it occure or what caused the moon and the sun not to give their light.The fact in the matter, the events did occure,and it is good for God, and it is good for me.Here, is what i said unto you, the signs and the wonders will happened one after another one,and you will still not see them.Until Jesus comes, and you will tell him "Lord why are you here? the signs are not fulfill yet"Many false profets had rise to destroyed the truth, that God had revil to Hellen G Withe, but they do not have nothing else to offer.They are like a dry Land, where nothing grow.Know this thing first, when you come to say,this is worngs in Hellen G withe's prophecy that God had give her.You should give the right splanation.Are those propheties already happened,or they are to come?If they are already happened,gives the whole world the date, that they where accomplished, for you want the world to have the truth,and only the truth to be save, don't you?And if, they are to come to pass, still in the future,Then, be ready to live that long evil periode aigain.You are just like those, who are good to criticized, but have nothing better to offer.Just make sure you do not misleading no soul for Jesus died for them.God bless.Emile
Jack Hoehn wrote at 2011-03-12 16:44:04
The EGW Great Controversy quote you severely contract sites current experts including Sir Charles Lyell the father of modern geology, showing the significance to people living in 1844 who took that earthquake as a significant sign. Ellen White was clearly not giving claiming Divine Revelation for the facts she quotes from others. Even Wikipedia (Lisbon Earthquake) records the seminal importance of that earthquake for 19th century minds.
"" The 1755 Lisbon earthquake,...was followed by a tsunami and fires, which caused near-total destruction of Lisbon in the Kingdom of Portugal, and adjoining areas. Geologists today estimate the Lisbon earthquake approached magnitude 9 on the moment magnitude scale, with an epicenter in the Atlantic Ocean about 200 km (120 mi) west-southwest of Cape St. Vincent. Estimates place the death toll in Lisbon alone between 10,000 and 100,000 people, making it one of the deadliest earthquakes in history.
The earthquake accentuated political tensions in the Kingdom of Portugal and profoundly disrupted the country's eighteenth-century colonial ambitions. The event was widely discussed and dwelt upon by European Enlightenment philosophers, and inspired major developments in theodicy and in the philosophy of the sublime. As the first earthquake studied scientifically for its effects over a large area, it led to the birth of modern seismology and earthquake engineering."
samuel wrote at 2012-06-19 10:56:43
you are well versed in quoting the scripture in your answer, but your understanding in EGW's books and prophecy is lacking.I started reading her prophecies before i joined adventism and of all prophetes you might name noone was ever accurate in their predictions as she was.today thousands of most learned people in world use her books for study.the amazing fact is that she was just a drop out( grade 7 schoolar).The bottom line that is she founder of the only church that keep the commandements of God,that alone is suffies to separate the goats from the sheeps.if other prophetes were there back then why did they not pick it from the scriptures that the event was pointing to the end time and it was right there in the Bible.
samuel wrote at 2012-06-19 11:22:45
Sal, i am not too sure where you got the figures you hilighted in your previous answer displayed on the net.The Prediction itself was not done by EGW, but God wrote himself what was to follow soon after persecution. the meteor showers from many sources records that the stars fell from a common source at shower rate of 200 000 stars/hour and this is far too way above your event that you mentioned.if the bible says it will be the last greatest event we believe that it shall be.unless otherwise you have another bible different from the one we use.You may not like her but the world is illuminated because of her profound writings and we thank God of her, read her prophecies with prayer and faith you will experience something that you never felt before. it worked for me and many more are coming praise God
NEIL CAMERON / 6443 wrote at 2014-04-09 17:31:21
SAL, THE SELF-PROCLAIMED EXPERT ON VARIOUS MATTERS OF SDA BELIEF, IN THIS ABSURD "REFUTATION" OF 1755, 1780, AND 1833 AS HISTORICAL FULFILLMENTS OF BIBLE PROPHECIES, EXPOSES NOT ELLEN WHITE AS A FALSE PROPHET, BUT HIMSELF AS A FALSE EXPOSITOR OF SCRIPTURE. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 1755, 1780, AND 1833 AS WAYMARKS POINTING TO THE SOON RETURN OF CHRIST ARE IN NO WAY DEPENDENT ON ELLEN WHITE'S ENDORSEMENT OF THEM. THEY ARE QUITE ABLE TO STAND ALONE ON THEIR OWN VERY CONSIDERABLE MERITS.
I HAVE MY OWN ISSUES WITH ELLEN WHITE, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE SO FOOLISH AS TO DISMISS HER AS A FALSE PROPHET OR FALSE MESSENGER OF THE LORD. I DERIVE MY BELIEFS FROM CAREFUL STUDY OF THE BIBLE, NOT FROM FINDING OUT WHAT ELLEN WHITE HAS OR HAS NOT TO SAY ON A PARTICULAR SUBJECT. I AM AT FULL LIBERTY TO IGNORE WHAT SHE SAYS ON ANY TOPIC. SHE WAS, HOWEVER, A CHRISTIAN WOMAN, WHO LOVED HER LORD, AND DID HER BEST TO SERVE HIM FAITHFULLY. LIKE ANY ANY OTHER HUMAN, SHE WAS FALLIBLE. AND THIS ISSUE OF FALLIBILITY APPLIES IN FULL MEASURE TO OUR EXPERT SAL, WHO IS FLAT WRONG ON 1755, 1780, AND 1833.
I WILL AGREE, HOWEVER, THAT THERE ARE POINTS OF SDA TEACHING THAT DEFINITELY DO NOT AGREE WITH SCRIPTURE, AND SOME OF THESE ARE BY NO MEANS TRIVIAL. USING 1755, 1780, AND 1833, HOWEVER, AS A MEANS TO DENOUNCE ELLEN WHITE AS A FALSE PROPHET IS PATHETICALLY ABSURD. AS STATED ALREADY, 1755, 1780, AND 1833 DO NOT NEED ELLEN WHITE TO BACK THEM UP. THE FACT THAT SAL IS UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO RECOGNIZE THE KEY EVENTS THAT OCCURRED IN THESE YEARS AS CLEAR INDICATORS OF THE APPROACHING RETURN OF CHRIST SIMPLY VERIFIES HIS OVERWHELMING IGNORANCE OF BOTH SCRIPTURE AND HISTORY. LISTEN TO THIS MAN AT YOUR PERIL! HE IS A FALSE TEACHER, BUT FORTUNATELY OF SCANT SIGNIFICANCE. SAL, EXPERT FRIEND, IN A FEW MONTHS I WILL PUBLISH A MAJOR BOOK ON 1755, 1780, AND 1833 THAT WILL SHUT YOUR LYING MOUTH FOR GOOD ON THIS SUBJECT! IT IRRITATES ME TO HAVE TO READ SUCH SILLY COMMENTS AS YOURS AND THOSE OF YOUR ILK ON VITAL MATTERS OF HISTORY AND SCRIPTURE. YOU ARE A BLIND GUIDE, AND YOU AND ALL WHO FOLLOW YOUR "EXPERTISE" WILL END UP IN A DITCH.
MAY THE LORD SAL OPEN YOUR BLIND EYES TO SEE THE TRUTH ON THIS MATTER. I AM GOING TO REFERENCE YOU BY NAME AND YOUR FALSE LINE OF ARGUMENTATION, AS WELL AS HOW TO FIND YOUR COMMENTS ON THE INTERNET IN MY UPCOMING BOOK. THE WEAKNESS AND FALSITY OF YOUR INTERPRETATION OF 1755, 1780, AND 1833 STAND IN SHARP CONTRAST TO WHAT, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, I AM ABLE TO DO WITH THESE DATES.
DO NOT TAKE MY COMMENTS, SAL, AS A PERSONAL ATTACK. I PRESUME YOU TO BE SINCERE IN YOUR VIEWS, THOUGH MASSIVELY IGNORANT OF HISTORY AND SCRIPTURE. YOU, OF COURSE, ARE NOT THE ONLY DELUDED INDIVIDUAL WHO PRESUMES TO TEACH NONSENSE ON 1755, 1780, AND 1833. THERE ARE ROBERT K SANDERS, DIRK ANDERSON, AND OTHERS AS WELL, AND I WILL DEAL WITH THE WHOLE THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU. BY THE WAY, SAL, WHAT HAS INSPIRED ME TO WRITE THIS BOOK, WHICH IS NOW LARGELY COMPLETED, ARE THE BRAIN-DEAD COMMENTS ON THE INTERNET BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
NEIL CAMERON / 6443