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art wrote at 2006-07-09 07:21:37
We choose to worship God on Sunday because that is the day Jesus rose from the dead. It is the day after six days of labor as recorded in Genesis 1: the creation story.




Mikaldad wrote at 2010-06-04 23:32:37
Pastor Don Read the book of Genesis 2:1-3. Israel was not around at that time.  You are wrong on the Sabbath


Historian wrote at 2012-01-15 22:58:00
I  would like to provide somescriptural texts that confirm that the Sabbath day was created during creation and existed before Sinai when the 10 commandments were handed down to Moses, written in stone by the finger of God. The covenant between God and the people he named himself as Isreal, the Hebrew decendents of Jacob grandson of Abraham was made at the time of crossing over into the land where Abraham had been sent generations before, with the proviso of the blessing and curse regarding obedience to the 10 commandments and statutes outlined there again at that moment.



That God wrote those 10 in stone  is meaningful of unchangeable nature of what one is to do in obediance to God.  Written in stone is a phrase that connotes unchangeable nature of the words to remain standing for all time.  This is different than what Adam Eve did in eating from the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and invoked the consequences of Sin which is death.   That is what Christ overcame.  That is the essense of the law being spoken of that being one in Christ, saves us by grace from.      BIBLE VERSE 1 - Matthew 5:17 .....'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.'



Now I'm always puzzled as to why Christians use this verse to say "Oh Jesus fulfilled the law, I don't need to keep it anymore!". Firstly, take a look at what Jesus said. He said that He did NOT come to destroy (abolish) the law. That tells us straight away then that the law stills stands right? Because if it isn't abolished, then it still stands. That's straight forward logic. Second, yes Jesus did come to fulfil the law. But what does that mean? He kept it perfectly, but there is a more accurate meaning to Jesus "fulfilling" the law. If you take a look at the original Greek word for fulfil, it actually means "to bring full meaning" or to "exalt". So the truth of this Bible verse is that Jesus did not come to abolish the law (the Bible ten commandments), He came to EXALT it and to bring FULL MEANING to it! He came to show us HOW to keep God's law, the ten commandments.



   BIBLE VERSE 2 - Romans 6:14 .....'For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'

So what does it mean to not be under the law? Well, what is the penalty of sin? Death right? (Romans 6:23) So what does being "under" the law mean? It means being under the death penalty of sin. Jesus freed us from this, and those who are IN Christ Jesus, those who take up their cross and follow Him, are no longer under that death penalty, because Christ paid it for us. Do you see this truth? It doesn't in any way mean we don't need to keep the ten commandments anymore.



   BIBLE VERSE 4 - Romans 7:4 .....'Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.'



Have a good think about this. First of all, does Paul say that the law, the ten commandments is dead? No, he says that WE are dead TO the law. So it isn't the law that is dead, but WE are dead to it. What does this mean? Well, there's a couple of things to take from this Bible verse. Are there any other Bible verses that say we are dead to something? Yes:



Romans 6:1-2 .....'What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?



Romans 6:6-8 .....'Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.'



2 Timothy 2:11 .....'It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with Him, we shall also live with him.'



1 Peter 2:24 .....'Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.'The truth is, God's moral law, the ten commandments have not been abolished, and God's people will continue to keep the ten commandmens out of love for Him, and out love for a dear Saviour, who gave His life as a ransom for our sins. How can we, who have been freed from the penalty of sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:2). What is it that reveals sin? God's eternal, moral law, the ten commandments, written on our hearts.4. The Sabbath is God's Holy Day, NOT the "Sabbath of the Jews"



Isaiah 58:13 ...'If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My Holy Day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD...'



Many non sabbath keepers love to proclaim that the sabbath was the "sabbath of the Jews" and yet the Bible clearly states that the seventh day sabbath is God's Holy Day. It isn't a holy day of any person or nation, it's God's Holy Day.we can confirm that the sabbath day was instituted from the very beginning, because Jesus Himself said that "the sabbath was MADE for man." (Mark 2:27). And when was the sabbath day MADE? During creation week.Seventh Day Sabbath is the ONLY Day God Ever Blessed



Genesis 2:2-3 ...'And on the seventh day, God ended His work which He had made, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it; because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.'



This is the only day of the week that God set apart (sanctified) for holy use.Exodus 16:23,26 ...'And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning ... Six days ye shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.'



So we can clearly see above that the seventh day sabbath was in effect and binding BEFORE the law was confirmed at Sinai.The Sabbath Commandment Declares who God is



Exodus 20:8 ...'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.'



Do you see? The 4th commandment shows us who we are to worship. We worship the LORD GOD, Creator of Heaven and earth.The Seventh Day Sabbath Will Continue to be Observed into Eternity



Isaiah 66:22-23 ...'For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.'



As this Bible verse confirms, we will worship God every sabbath in heaven and on the new earth. Now it also says every "new moon" we will go to worship God. New moon basically means every month, and the book of Revelation tells us why we will go every month ... Revelation 22:2 ...'In the midst of the street of it and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits and yielded her fruit every month, and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.'



So every month (new moon), we will go to the New Jerusalem to eat the new fruit of the tree of life and worship God, besides worshipping God every seventh day sabbath. This we will do for eternity!



7th day, The Sabbath has NEVER Been Changed or Abolished



Matthew 5:18 ...'For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.'



Has the heaven and earth passed away? Clearly not. Therefore the sabbath commandment still stands EXACTLY as it is. Jesus did not abolish the sabbath day.



The Disciples kept the Seventh Day Sabbath AFTER Jesus' Death and Resurrection



Luke 23:56 ...'And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.'



Acts 16:13 ...'And on the sabbath, we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made, and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted tither.'



Acts 13:42 ...'And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.'



Acts 13:44 ...'And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.'



Acts 18:4 ...'And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews AND THE GREEKS.'



The Sabbath is mentioned many times in the New Testament, and there are many verses like the above which suggest that the disciples and followers of Jesus continued keeping the seventh day sabbath as per the 4th commandment. And yet Sunday (first day of the week) is only mentioned a couple of times and is given no significance whatsoever!Jesus Himself Confirmed the Sabbath Day Would Still Stand After His Resurrection



Matthew 24:20 ...'But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day.'



This verse has a double application. The first application is to the time in AD70 when Jerusalem was destroyed. And the second application is for CHRISTIANS during the end times, when we would need to flee to the mountains away from the antichrist beasts of Revelation 13.The Meaning of the Day "Saturday" is SABBATH in Over 100 Languages



In over 100 languages the name for the day that we call Saturday is "the Sabbath". For example, Saturday in the Spanish language is "Sabado", which means "the Sabbath". In Italian, it is "Sabbato", which also means "the Sabbath". In Russian it is, "Subbota". In Polish, "Sobota". In Greek, "Sabbaton". In French, "Samedi". In German, "Samstag", etc. ALL Meaning "the sabbath". Coincidence? I don't think so. This coincides with what happened at the tower of Babel, when God confused the language of the people. Even though God confused the language, the seventh day remained as the sabbath, and shows that the Bible sabbath was in effect in Genesis, BEFORE the Exodus and before the law was confirmed at Sinai. The only day that has been and will ever be called the Sabbath day is the 7th day, our Saturday.



These are irrefutable Bible facts about the seventh day sabbath. God's special holy day.


Necoya wrote at 2012-03-19 07:25:22
To the Historian,,, Thank you for your response,,,I strongly feel that we need knowledgeable people such as yourself to help people to understand the true teachings,and meanings of the word, because as you've shown the Bible is able to explain it self,,,God Bless!


Ogillo David wrote at 2013-02-28 15:19:12
I wanna thank the man of God for the answers that he has given, I  wish to add something to the answer regarding the Sabbath. But before that i wanna say that i was raised from my childhood as an Adventist and this makes me well vest with most of their doctrine and  who Helen White rely is. Driving straight to the point is Sabbath, Sabbath means rest and it is fulfilled in Jesus that is why Jesus never in any verse command his followers to observe it.

2. Apostles never observed it and neither did it form a basis of their doctrine

3. when we come to Jesus we become Sabbath keepers( any one who lives in sin is not a sabbath keeper). Heb 4:3-6. this also explains why Jesus said come to me all he that labor and are heavy landed for i will give you a rest.

There are two types of rest (Sabbaths) the Physical and the spiritual. the former guided the children of God to the latter. the former is in seen in observation of days. the latter is in faith is Jesus Christ. this is why which day one goes to Church is not important the most important thing is have you received the lord of sabbath. this time THE LORD OF SABBATH not the DAY OF SABBATH.



There are very many verses that i can share about this topic but unless contacted on ogailogillo@yahoo.com i wish to hold my peace.

God bless you all  


Historian 2 wrote at 2013-02-28 16:57:38
thank you historian for the long explanation however, Believers of new testament never observed sabbath at all. where you see Paul reasoning scripture on sabbath ACT 18:4, He was in the synagogue of non believers those guys were not christian Paul went to win them that why if you read that text well, it shows that he went to persuade them. Just like today if I want to win Moslems, i would go on Friday that because when i go in any other day i will not get them. But there is no evidence that their (Paul's) congregation gathered on Sabbath. this is again clear in acts16:42-44 when after preaching some of the members of that synagogue abandoned that congregation and followed Paul.

Yes Sabbath is mentioned in the new testament, this is because it is the custom of Jew from the time of mt Sinai when they were told to keep it they kept it to the time of Jesus. But Jesus never in any verse called up on his followers to observed it. the Apostles Never did so instead they were discouraging in many scriptures.

Jesus could have encouraged his followers to observe it if it still lives or even the apostles. But since Jesus fulfilled it there was no need for them to emphasize it.

unfortunately You also quoted MTT 5:18 but never took in to consideration the last statement: "till all be fulfilled". If you understood that part well then you will know that Jesus is saying till every thing written about his ministry be fulfilled on the cross he said it is "finished" JHN 19:30 that was the fulfillment he is talking about in MTT 5:18.

In the olden covenant the Sabbath is the mark of God's people but in the new covenant Jesus is. 1JHN 2:22-23, JHN 14:6.

I can quotes scriptures upon scriptures to defend this truth of the Gospel but for now i wanna stop here God bless you  


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