Small Engines (Lawn Mowers, etc.)/Honda Mod# HRX217HXA

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Re: Honda lawn mower Model# HRX217HXA

Engine Model# GJAAA-1244554 which is stamped on the engine.
(it is in the Honda model# GCV190 engine family)

I have recently received one of these mowers for repair, it does the same thing as discussed in the conversation below, only the one I have is backfiring through both the carb and exhaust, the smoke is blue-ish (oil). It is NOT WATER in the gas, the first thing I did was clean out the fuel system - No Difference. It may be a timing issue, the Honda GCV190 engine has an internal timing belt (Why would anyone put a TIMING BELT inside of a small engine bathed in oil?) and possibly it jumped timing. I have not attempted to fix this yet as I am waiting for the service manual for this p.o.s. engine.

My question for you is; Since the following conversation is so old has anyone else determined what the cause is, of this hard starting, stalling, backfiring issue? To me it sounds like timing.

Thank You
Steve

In reference to the following conversation with Tom dated 8/18/2008:

Note: the following conversation is not with me.


Small Engines (Lawn Mowers, etc.)/Honda Mower Engine

  
Expert: Tom Adinolfi - 8/18/2008

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Hello, my HRX217HXA mower with a GCV190 engine would not start yesterday. The engine would make popping/backfire sounds thru the carb. Occassional white smoke from the muffler. I replaced the spark plug today and nothing changed, still won't start. The engine ran just fine last week. The mower is only 4 years old and has had yearly oil changes. Not sure what to do next.



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Any chance it was left where rain could have got into the tank? Sounds like water in the tank to me. If there is even the remote chance water could have somehow, someway got into the tank, I would empty the tank, remove the carb bowl and dump that too, and do a fresh refuel....That white smoke is telling me there is water in the muffler. If it is in there It's very well  in the tank too.    Tom

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Have you pulled the valve cover and checked the valves?  All 4 cycle engine exhibit valve overlap at one of point at top-dead-center (TDC).  You can insert a drinking straw into the spark plug hole and feel when the piston comes to TDC.  You should be able to rock the flywheel back and fourth and either see or feel the valve overlap (both valve will be open slightly).  This technique will ensure timing is correct.  At one factory school they purposely mis-marked the timing mark on the cam.  I was not the first to get the engine assembled but I was the first to get it running...by making sure the valve overlap was present at TDC.

This sounds complicated but it is very simple and the best way to check timing (mechanical) with out dis-assembling the engine.
Eric

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Lawnmower Repair . Certified Master Service Technician from B&S. Have 23 years experience on B&S, Lawn Chief, Weed Eater, Echo, Peerless, Wheel Horse, Snapper, Atlas, MTD, McCulloch, Homelite and many other numerous brands. Specialize in electrical repair.

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Born and raised in the midwest. Started tinkering with engines when I was about 14 on my Suzuki RM-80. I began lawn mower repair at a small hardware store. I knew absolutely nothing. I read lots of repair manuals and met an older fellow who taught me many lessons. I continued working on small engines through high school and paid my way through college working on mowers at the same hardware store. Decided to get away from the midwest and mower repair so I joined the Air Force. I repaired air traffic control electronic equipment and ended up in Hawaii where I got a part time job at Small Engine Clinic. I gained a lot of experience from the Small Engine Clinic and had a blast repairing small engines. I then took the Briggs and Stratton Master Service Technician test and earned my MST. I then traveled to Wisconsin where I attended the factory update training seminar and received formal training. Continued working on mowers part time as I completed 20 years of military. Retired from the military on a Friday and continued in the lawn and garden industry the next Monday.

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